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1. The End of Trumpism

   4 november 2026 · 50 min

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   Tuesday night, a blue tsunami crashed across the political map. Democrats won control of the House and the Senate with room to spare, flipping seats in states that once seemed unimaginable: South Carolina, Kansas, Texas. Ezra Klein sits down with his editor Aaron Retica to survey the wreckage of Trump’s 2024 coalition, and what Democrats can learn from their victories. Lees meer

   Mentioned:

   “Kansas Senator Goes Rogue With Video Response to Medical Debt Lawsuits” by Sarah Kliff

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   You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at https://www.nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast

   Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html

   This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu and Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris with Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker, Julie Beer and Jordyn Flaherty. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota, Gautam Srikishan and Pat McCusker. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Marina King. Video editing by Steph Khoury, Dani Dillon, Kristen Williamson, Julian Hackney and Jan Kobal. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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2. Elon Musk’s Endgame

   30 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 11 min

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   Ahead of the midterm elections, Elon Musk has become the single largest campaign donor in any election cycle, giving about $450 million to Republicans. It is just a fraction of a percent of his near-trillion-dollar net worth. Lees meer

   Musk’s control over SpaceX, Starlink, X, Tesla and Neuralink, on top of his riches, has given him power over wealth, attention and critical infrastructure that few human beings have ever amassed before. What does he want to do with all this power? What is he trying to buy with his campaign spending? What is the world he wants to build?

   Quinn Slobodian is a professor of international history at Boston University. He’s the author of “Globalists,” “Hayek’s Bastards” and, most recently, “Muskism: A Guide for the Perplexed,” which he co-wrote with Ben Tarnoff.

   Book Recommendations:

   “Extraction” by Thea Riofrancos

   “Silicon Empires” by Nick Srnicek

   “Against Tech Oligarchy” by JS Tan and Clarissa Redwine

   Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

   You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html

   This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle I. Kelley. Video editing by Julian Hackney, Kristen Williamson and Arpita Aneja. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.

   Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via…

3. Nate Silver Predicts a ‘Momentous’ Midterm

   27 oktober 2026 · 55 min

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   “If the election goes roughly as the polls say it will go, then in some ways it would mark the end of the Trump era,” Nate Silver told me. Lees meer

   The midterms are a week away, and it looks entirely possible that Democrats will win not just the House, but also the Senate. Democrats are polling competitively deep into red territory – Texas, Ohio, Alaska, Iowa, Kansas – states that Trump won in 2024 by double digits.

   But Democrats have been burned by big polling misses before. So can we really trust what the polls are telling us? And what stories have emerged in the data that we might see play out on election night?

   Silver is an internationally famous elections nerd, one of the people who made election forecasting a core part of American political discourse. He edits The Silver Bulletin on Substack, co-hosts the podcast “Still Counting” and is the author, most recently, of “On the Edge: The Art of Risking Everything.”

   Mentioned:

   “Data centres are turning Trump voters into Democrats” by The Economist

   “We Gave Four Good Pollsters the Same Raw Data. They Had Four Different Results.” by Nate Cohn

   “FINAL Silver Bulletin 2024 presidential election forecast” by Nate Silver and Eli McKown-Dawson

   Book Recommendations:

   The Rise and Fall of American Growth by Robert J. Gordon

   You Can Just Do Things by Cate Hall, with Sasha Chapin

   The Biggest Game in Town by Al Alvarez

   Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

   You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

   This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Kate Sinclair, Julie Beer and Jordyn Flaherty. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Pat McCusker. Our recording engineer is Am…

4. What Hundreds of Focus Groups With Trump Voters Revealed

   23 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 8 min

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   Sarah Longwell has probably conducted more focus groups with Trump voters than anyone else in America — hundreds of them, starting in Trump’s first term. So she has a treasure trove of qualitative evidence of how voters have evolved in the Trump era and why many of the president’s voters are souring on him now. Lees meer

   Trump’s approval rating has plummeted since the start of his second term, especially among the groups that swung toward him in the last election — young, Black and Hispanic voters. But I wanted to have Longwell on the show to hear what these people are really saying. What exactly has disappointed them about Trump’s second term? And what opportunities could that open for Democrats?

   Longwell is a founder and the publisher of The Bulwark, the host of “The Focus Group Podcast” and the author of “How to Eat an Elephant: One Voter at a Time.”

   Mentioned:

   “Trump Voters Explain Ossoff’s Appeal. And It’s Not What You Think.” by Sarah Longwell

   Book Recommendations:

   “Intermezzo” by Sally Rooney

   “Stoner” by John Williams

   “The Poisonwood Bible” by Barbara Kingsolver

   Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

   You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html

   This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin and Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Kelsey Lannin, Michelle Harris and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Bets Wilkins. Video editing by Julian Hackney, Britt Shacham Bernstein and Arpita Aneja. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Rollin Hu, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta.…

5. Trumpism Is Backfiring

   20 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 17 min

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   If you want to understand the ruins of President Trump’s foreign policy, look no further than Canada. Trump tried to strong-arm America’s trading partner and closest ally with punishing tariffs and threats of becoming the “51st state” in order to extract more concessions. Lees meer

   The result? A recent poll found that 41 percent of Canadians now consider the United States an enemy country. Prime Minister Mark Carney is pursuing closer trade ties with China and Europe in order to diversify away from the U.S. And in August, he walked away from trade talks with the Trump administration, barreling our two countries toward a Jan. 1 deadline when huge new tariffs will go into effect.

   Trump’s theory of power appears to have failed here because Canada — even though it’s the weaker party — simply refused to capitulate. There’s a broader lesson in that.

   Chrystia Freeland served in a number of senior roles in the Canadian government, including deputy prime minister, minister of finance, and minister of foreign affairs, where she was a lead negotiator for Canada in trade talks with the first Trump administration. She’s the author of a new book, “Unreliable Boyfriend: An Insider’s View of Dealing With a Chaotic Superpower, Plutocrats, and Other Complicated People.”

   Mentioned:

   “US business leaders are waking up to the perils of plutopopulism” by Chrystia Freeland

   “How Democrats Drove Silicon Valley Into Trump’s Arms" by Interesting Times

   “Jamie Dimon: A Plan for the Western World’s Revival” by Jamie Dimon

   Book Recommendations:

   “The Dispossessed: An Ambiguous Utopia” by Ursula K. Le Guin

   “The Player of Games” by Iain M. Banks

   “Book of Lives: A Memoir of Sorts” by Margaret Atwood

   Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

   You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nyti…

6. Is There an A.I. Bubble? A Debate.

   16 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 7 min

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   The gargantuan bet on the future of A.I. is driving the U.S. stock market and economic growth. And the building of data centers is sucking up so many construction resources, it’s crowding out the construction of homes. Lees meer

   The multitrillion-dollar question is: Will this bet pay off? Or is it a bubble, destined to burst and pull the economy down with it?

   Paul Kedrosky is a partner at SK Ventures, a fellow at M.I.T., and the author of a newsletter about A.I.. He thinks we’re very obviously in a bubble. Azeem Azhar is a technology entrepreneur and the author of the newsletter Exponential View. He has a more optimistic take.

   (The New York Times has sued OpenAI and Microsoft claiming copyright infringement. The companies have denied those claims.)

   This episode contains strong language.

   Mentioned:

   “Nobody Is Ready for the AI-Agent Flood” by John Herman

   “What is bigger than AI?” by Azeem Azhar

   Book Recommendations:

   “Middlemarch” by George Eliot

   “Liberty’s Dawn” by Emma Griffin

   “Insull” by Forrest McDonald

   “The Day the Universe Changed” by James Burke

   “Fathers and Sons” by Ivan Turgenev

   “Candide” by Voltaire

   Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

   You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html

   This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Julie Beer. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota and Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle I. Kelley. Video editing by Steph Khoury and Dani Dillon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by …

7. Is It a Relationship if No One’s on the Other Side?

   14 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 15 min

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   Roughly half of American adults are using chatbots. Nearly one in five U.S. adults has chatted with an A.I. that simulates a romantic partner. And some children now struggle to distinguish between talking to chatbots and humans. Lees meer

   What does this mean for the future of our relationships? Turkle has been studying relationships between humans and machines since the 1970s, around the dawn of the personal computer. Her 2011 book, “Alone Together,” offered a prescient warning about how social media was atrophying in-person bonds. And in her latest book, “Artificial Intimacy: Who We Become When We Talk to Machines,” Turkle turns the lens on A.I., wrestling with what happens when technology comes after not only our attention but also our capacity for attachment.

   This episode contains strong language.

   Mentioned:

   “A Teen Was Suicidal. ChatGPT Was the Friend He Confided In.” by Kashmir Hill

   “The Second Self” by Sherry Turkle

   “Alone Together” by Sherry Turkle

   Book Recommendations:

   “Playing and Reality” by D. W. Winnicott

   “The Origins of Totalitarianism” by Hannah Arendt

   “Computer Power and Human Reason” by Joseph Weizenbaum

   Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

   You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html

   This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota, Efim Shapiro and Gautam Srikishan. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle I. Kelley. Video editing by Dani Dillon, Steph Khoury and Jan Kobal. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy…

8. Intelligence Isn't Power

   9 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 1 min

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   At the center of the country’s debates over artificial intelligence is a simple but hard question: What kind of technology is this? Lees meer

   Is A.I. a kind of “alien mind”? Are we unleashing a new species on the planet, one that will transform human society so completely that historical analogies to past technologies simply don’t hold? Or is A.I. more normal than that?

   Arvind Narayanan is a professor of computer science at Princeton University and the director of the Center for Information Technology Policy. And he’s an author, alongside his colleague Sayash Kapoor, of the extremely influential essay “A.I. as Normal Technology.”

   In that essay, and then in a Substack under that name, they lay out their case that A.I. is in fact something we’ve seen before — or at least, it’s close enough to past revolutionary technologies that we have a road map to deal with it. So I wanted to bring Narayanan on the show to hear that perspective.

   Mentioned:

   “A.I. as Normal Technology” by Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor

   “What Will Be Scarce?” by Alex Imas

   Book Recommendations:

   “Not the End of the World” by Hannah Ritchie

   “Breakneck” by Dan Wang

   “Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows

   Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

   You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html

   This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Kate Sinclair and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Our director of photography is Marina King. Video editing by Brandon Belk-Yee, Kristen Williamson and Dani Dillon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Jack McC…

9. ‘This Is Nuts.’ An OpenAI Insider Explains Why He Quit.

   7 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 11 min

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   Last week, David Robinson resigned from OpenAI. He’d been in charge of writing the safety reports for new models and came to believe that OpenAI and the broader artificial intelligence industry lack the safety culture necessary to protect the world from what they’re building. Lees meer

   Robinson has an unusual background for an A.I. frontier lab staffer. He’s a Rhodes scholar and Yale Law graduate, he founded a civil rights nonprofit and he advised the Biden White House. He did not come up in the hothouse of Silicon Valley. And when he joined OpenAI in 2023, he says, he saw A.I. as a useful tool, not as a technology that could pose catastrophic risks.

   That’s changed. In Robinson’s first interview since leaving OpenAI, he tells me why.

   (The New York Times has sued OpenAI and Microsoft claiming copyright infringement. The companies have denied those claims.)

   This episode contains strong language.

   Mentioned:

   “On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots” by Emily M. Bender, Timnit Gebru, Angelina McMillan-Major and Shmargaret Shmitchell

   “An OpenAI Engineer and His Friends Debate the Future”

   “Jensen Huang Thinks A.I. Alarmism Has Gone Too Far” by The Ezra Klein Show

   “The Merge” by Sam Altman

   Sam Altman on Decoded

   Book Recommendations:

   “The Challenger Launch Decision” by Diane Vaughan

   “Little Witch Hazel” by Phoebe Wahl

   “The Sabbath” by Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

   Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

   You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html

   This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Mary Marge Locker and Julie Beer. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. Our recording engineer is Aman Sahota. Cinematography by Kyle Kelley and Marina King. Video editing by Brandon Belk-Yee, D…

10. Is the World Getting Uglier?

    2 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 7 min

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    President Trump and the modern right have a theory of beauty. You see it in Trump’s gilded Oval Office, his imagined arch and his executive order requiring classical and traditional styles for certain federal buildings. Lees meer

    This isn’t my theory of beauty, but it is a theory. And it’s a response, in part, to something that a lot of people have been feeling, and not just on the right: that the modern world is ugly, or getting uglier.

    I’ve seen at least a dozen articles or videos over the last few years asking, “Is the world getting uglier?” They point to the drabness of new apartment blocks, the sameness of new cars and the reign of “greige” in homes and fashion.

    So I’ve wanted to do an episode on this for a while. Why does the world seem to be getting uglier, or drabber? And at a moment when the right has a clear answer to this feeling, does the left have any answer at all?

    Debbie Millman teaches at the School of Visual Arts in New York City and hosts the long-running podcast “Design Matters,” where she talks to creative people about design. In her long career as a brand designer, she revamped the logos for companies like Burger King, 7 Up and Häagen-Dazs. She’s also written a number of books on design, and recently wrote an article for Time magazine, “Is the World Getting Uglier?”

    Mentioned:

    “Is the World Getting Uglier?” by Debbie Millman

    “Why Is Everything So Ugly?” by n+1

    “How Did The World Get So Ugly?” by Sheehan Quirke

    Book Recommendations:

    “The Voice That Is Great Within Us” by Hayden Carruth

    “Love in the Time of Cholera” by Gabriel García Márquez

    “Ulysses” by James Joyce

    “Hunger” by Roxane Gay

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin…

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