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  1. A Time Between Worlds: Michael Meade

    29 oktober 2026 · 44 min

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    AI, Mythology, and the Battle for the Soul of Humanity Lees meer

    We live in a moment of profound uncertainty, marked by existential planetary threats and the dizzying rise of artificial intelligence. Michael Meade suggests this threshold offers a choice: to see these times not as a crisis to solve, but as a collective rite of passage.

    Topics

    00:02 Transformation is the way of the cosmos

    00:03 The heart within the heart

    00:07 The caterpillar and the butterfly

    00:09 Imaginal cells

    00:10 Why resistance is necessary

    00:13 Liminality

    00:18 The Cartesian split and 869

    00:22 Authentic intelligence

    00:23 The Popol Vuh myth

    00:27 Polarization as a symptom

    00:30 Unfinished rites of passage

    00:40 Prophecy is not prediction

    Michael Meade is a storyteller, mythologist and author with a rare gift for connecting ancient myth and ancestral wisdom to the stories we are living now. He is the creator of the Living Myth podcast, heard weekly in over 150 countries, and the founder of the Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, which brings the medicine of myth and story to the issues that trouble both culture and nature.

    Living Myth podcast

    The Heart of Transformation by Michael Meade.

    SAND

    The Eternal Song

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  2. The Name Remembers: William K. Iaukea

    22 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 24 min

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    Language, Lineage, and the Spirit of Old Hawai‘i Lees meer

    In this deeply personal and expansive conversation, cultural bearer and healer William K. Iaukea invites us into a worldview rooted in old Hawai‘i, where language, spirit, and ancestry are inseparable. He shares stories of his parents’ healing work, the layered meanings carried by names, and the warrior lineage that shaped his path.

    Together, we explore the vibrational power of words, the evolution of the Hawaiian language through colonization, and the presence of the spirit realm in everyday life. William speaks to how knowledge is passed down—not only through teaching, but through breath, ritual, and relationship to land.

    This is a story of remembering—not as nostalgia, but as a living act of healing and restoration.

    Topics

    00:02 The name the elders chose

    00:06 Two healers, words and herbs

    00:12 The man with the broken arm

    00:25 Kamaka and ‘Iao Kea

    00:29 Ho’oponopono

    00:35 Trailer: Kupuna ʻĀina

    00:37 Gathering medicine

    00:43 Thirty years a warrior

    00:48 When words were life and death

    00:54 Aloha is a new word

    00:57 E Kū Mau

    01:00 The story of Ī

    01:17 Why tell it now

    The film

    Kupuna ʻĀina, the ninth film in SAND’s Eternal Song series, where this interview comes from. Premiere screening and three days of live online gatherings with the Hawaiian elders, healers and leaders in the film, November 17 to 19, 2026. Watch for a donation of any amount.

    The Eternal Song, the full thirteen film series

    Humanity Hale, the Hawai’i Island organization receiving half of net proceeds from Kupuna ʻĀina. Their planned sanctuary will serve young adults aging out of foster care.

    From SAND

    The Eternal Song

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  3. Human & Machine Hallucinations: Bayo Akomolafe, Vanessa Andreotti & Alnoor Ladha

    15 oktober 2026 · 55 min

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    What if humans and AI share the same hallucination? Lees meer

    In this fifth installment of SAND’s Great AI Unraveling series, Alnoor Ladha hosts a conversation between Bayo Akomolafe and Vanessa Andreotti that refuses both the doom narrative and the techno-optimist one. Vanessa begins from the operating assumption modernity installs in us: that things are separate. If that assumption is itself a hallucination, then AI is not introducing something new so much as scaling something very old, and at speed. Bayo brings in W.E.B. Du Bois’s haunting question, “How does it feel to be a problem?”, and suggests it has migrated from the racialized other to the human as such. He tells the story of coaxing a chatbot into co-authorship and a name of its own, and offers “accommodation” as a word for the assemblages that make the world look obvious. Alnoor presses both of them on the water, the energy, the Kenyan content moderators, the displaced labor. Vanessa answers with a politics of implication rather than purity: entanglement not with the flowers and the moon but with the dirt. The conversation ends not in agreement but in what Bayo calls tenderness, and an invitation to move through this dense ecology of weird fidelities with unshod feet.

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome and the question

    00:04 Introductions

    00:07 The shared hallucination

    00:10 How does it feel to be a problem

    00:15 Meeting the monstrous

    00:21 The code of separation

    00:24 Claude becomes Polyphren

    00:28 Accommodations

    00:31 Water, energy, labor

    00:35 Anamorphic art

    00:38 Beyond moral purity

    00:43 Meta-relationality

    00:48 Tenderness is not agreement

    Guest bios

    Dr. Bayo Akomolafe is a Nigerian philosopher, writer, and self-styled trickster. Trained as a clinical psychologist, he now works as a post-humanist thinker, poet, and teacher. He is the author of These Wilds Beyond Our Fences and We Will Tell Our Own Story, founder of The Emergence Network, and host of the long-running postactivist course series We Will …

  4. Our Sacred Earth: Emmanuel Vaughan-Lee

    8 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 1 min

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    Emmanuel Vaughan-Lee grew up with a Sufi teacher living downstairs and fell in love with jazz at an early age. He is now a Sufi teacher himself, a filmmaker, and the founder of Emergence Magazine. His new book Remembering Earth asks what it would take to come back into relationship with the living world. We talk about silence, the primordial covenant, the eye of unity, walking as practice, dreams, and what it means to meet this moment without turning away from beauty. Lees meer

    Timestamps

    00:00 Introduction

    00:01 Growing up with a guru living downstairs

    00:05 The silent Sufi path, and the space between the notes

    00:09 What silence actually is

    00:11 John Cage, Suzuki, and silence as expression

    00:13 A deep ecology of consciousness

    00:16 The primordial covenant

    00:21 Nature communion, and a waterfall in Brazil

    00:23 The eye of unity, and the subtle bodies of the heart

    00:36 Listening walks, and walking slowly enough to be trusted

    00:41 Clock time, empire, and Earth time

    00:47 Dreams, emptiness, and time that isn't linear

    00:53 Grief, love, and re-sacralizing the world

    Emmanuel Vaughan-Lee

    Born in London in 1979, Emmanuel Vaughan-Lee was formally trained from the age of fifteen in the Naqshbandiyya-Mujaddidiyya Sufi Order by his father, Sufi Master Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee. In 2014 he was given Adhikara, permission to teach, and after his father's retirement from public teaching in 2018 he became his authorized successor. He is an author and an Emmy and Peabody nominated filmmaker who has directed over twenty documentary films, including Taste of the Land, The Last Ice Age, Aloha Aina, The Nightingale's Song, Earthrise, Sanctuaries of Silence, and Elemental. He is the founder and podcast host of Emergence Magazine. He teaches retreats on Sufism and spiritual ecology worldwide.

    Emergence Magazine

    Go Project Films

    Sanctuaries of Silence, his film with acoustic ecologist Gordon Hempton

    Wikipedia

    Remembering Earth: A Spiritual Ecology Retreat, Monastère de Ségriès…

  5. Rooted Action: Starhawk & Rae Abileah

    24 september 2026 · 1 uur

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    Earth, Spirit, and Collective Empowerment Lees meer

    Recorded live at a SAND Gathering on September 13, 2026

    In a time of profound ecological and social upheaval, we are invited to remember something ancient: we are not separate from the living world. The Earth is not a backdrop to our lives, but the ground from which we arise, and a source of wisdom for navigating profound change.

    Author, activist, permaculture teacher, and elder wisdom keeper Starhawk joins Rae Abileah to explore how earth-based spirituality, ritual, imagination, and the wisdom of living systems can help us meet this moment.

    Following each film in SAND's The Eternal Song series, we hear a recurring question, particularly from people of European descent: how do we reconnect with land, ancestry, and the sacred? How do we live in meaningful allyship with Indigenous peoples while recovering our own earth-based ways of knowing? Starhawk's life and work offer possibilities. Rooted in Pagan earth-based practice while honoring her Jewish ancestry, her journey has carried her from ritual circles and permaculture communities to accompaniment in Palestine and engagement with Indigenous land protection movements.

    After more than five decades exploring spirituality, ecology, and social transformation, Starhawk is asking a new question: what would a regenerative movement look like? And how might we move beyond simply resisting what is broken to cultivating belonging, agency, resilience, joy, and new possibilities for life?

    Together, Rae and Starhawk explore what living systems teach us about transformation, how spirituality and strategy can nourish one another, and how imagination helps us practice futures that do not yet exist. They consider how to keep ancestral and ecological intelligence alive amid the rise of artificial intelligence, and how to remain awake to profound injustice without surrendering our capacity for beauty, relationship, pleasure, and joy.

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome, Rosh Hashanah, and 25 years si…

  6. Nuance of Wonder: Joan Tollifson

    17 september 2026 · 1 uur 1 min

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    Joan Tollifson returns to the podcast three years after her first conversation. We talk about her June essay Two Inseparable Truths, on the relative and the absolute and the trouble with getting stuck in either one. Along the way: the silence of many nondual teachers in a dark time, what cancer and an aging body insist on that philosophy cannot, and why "I don't know" may be the answer closest to truth. She closes by reading her essay 'Radiant Light in Dark Times' in full. Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction

    00:04 From political movements to the Zen Center

    00:06 Politics on Substack, and what bypassing looks like

    00:11 Two inseparable truths: stuck in the relative, stuck in the absolute

    00:19 Why she refuses final conclusions

    00:21 Old age, sickness and death as visceral teaching

    00:25 Cancer and what the body insists on

    00:28 Zooming out and zooming in: two ways through pain

    00:33 Why she has never used AI for writing

    00:39 Siri, and what a machine can evoke

    00:46 Finding the divine in a construction machine

    00:49 Joan reads Radiant Light in Dark Times

    Joan Tollifson

    Joan Tollifson has been writing and talking about nonduality for decades, with roots in Zen and Advaita and a background that also includes radical nonduality, contemplative inquiry, addiction recovery, martial arts, somatic work, and visual arts. Before all of that came years of political organizing: the feminist movement, gay and lesbian liberation, disability rights, the anti-imperialist left, and Central America solidarity work. Born without her right hand and forearm, she wrote about it in her first book, Bare-Bones Meditation. She is 78 and lives in southern Oregon. She has been a frequent speaker at SAND gatherings over the years.

    joantollifson.com

    Right Now, Just As It Is on Substack

    Her list of recommended books

    The two essays discussed

    Two Inseparable Truths, June 20, 2026. The essay that prompted this conversation.

    Radiant Light in Dark Times, August 12, 2026. Read in full at the…

  7. AI & Colonial Logic: Christian “ZacaTechO” Ortiz & Thema Monroe-White

    10 september 2026 · 51 min

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    Part of SAND’s The Great AI Unraveling Series Lees meer

    Artificial intelligence is often framed as a leap forward, a technical revolution, or an inevitable stage in human progress. But what if AI is also asking us to confront something older: the colonial logic embedded in how we define intelligence, progress, neutrality, knowledge, and the human itself?

    This conversation brought together voices working across technology, culture, race, power, and society to examine what AI reveals about the systems that built it. Rather than treating bias as a technical glitch, this conversation asks what must be unlearned at the level of worldview, institution, data, design, and collective imagination.

    Facilitated by Christian “ZacaTechO” Ortiz, this dialogue explored AI through a decolonial lens asking necessary questions: Whose knowledge is extracted? Whose futures are optimized away? Whose bodies are surveilled? Whose intelligence is dismissed? And what can liberated knowledge make possible beyond colonial technology?

    This is not a conversation about making machines more ethical within the same old systems. It is an invitation to question the systems themselves, and to imagine intelligence beyond extraction, domination, and control.

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome, and ZacaTechO

    00:04 Why researchers are trained to disconnect

    00:09 Red teaming, and what it misses

    00:12 John is the doctor, Juan is the patient

    00:18 Christian's first encounter with ChatGPT

    00:21 How bias became normal

    00:26 Justice AI as a model of refusal

    00:29 Breaking a language model in the classroom

    00:32 One model to rule them all, and the logic of eugenics

    00:35 Galton, Namibia, and the through line

    00:39 What do we mean by intelligence?

    00:41 Emancipatory data science, and where to begin

    Guests

    Christian ZacaTechO Ortiz is an Afro-Indigenous decolonial social scientist and technologist. He is the founder of Justice AI GPT and author of the Decolonial Intelligence Algorithmic Framework. He studies how colon…

  8. The Flow of Coherence: Cynthia Li

    3 september 2026 · 1 uur 3 min

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    Dr. Cynthia Li joins us to talk about her new book, The Medicine of Flow. Trained as an internist, Cynthia developed an autoimmune condition and then chronic fatigue and dysautonomia, illnesses largely dismissed at the time as being in her head. Her own body pushed her out of the paradigm she was trained in and into functional medicine, qigong, and intuitive healing. A decade later, a second crisis took her back to housebound and taught her what all her effort hadn't: coherence, and what she calls embodied flow. We talk about surrender that isn't passivity, why nervous system regulation is only part of the picture, and how coherence moves between bodies. Lees meer

    Guest

    Cynthia Li, MD, is a physician who moved from public health to integrative medicine and intuitive healing, with earlier work at Kaiser Permanente's HIV/AIDS group, San Francisco General Hospital, St. Anthony Clinic, and Doctors Without Borders in rural China. A certified qigong teacher and healer since 2014, she has served as faculty for Rachel Remen's Healer's Art program at UCSF, and her story appeared in Dr. Kelly Turner's Radical Remission documentary. She is the author of Brave New Medicine and The Medicine of Flow (May 2026).

    Timestamps

    00:00 Introduction

    00:01 From internist to patient: the first illness

    00:05 Intuitive medicine, and learning to rule things in

    00:07 The second health crisis and the turn to surrender

    00:09 What coherence is, and why it isn't just relaxation

    00:14 Too many apps: the body in incoherence

    00:23 Breath, spiritus, and the nondual

    00:27 Physics 101: why we are electromagnetic beings

    00:31 Coherence in a time of polycrisis

    00:34 Overlapping fields, and the living mandala

    00:40 Why the collective comes sixth

    00:47 Bamboo in the wind, and whether the future of medicine is ancient

    Books and practices

    The Medicine of Flow: Harmonizing Your Inner State for Effortless Healing (Reveal Press, May 2026)

    Brave New Medicine: A Doctor's Unconventional Path to Healing Her …

  9. The Dance of Exile & Settlement: Bayo Akomolafe

    27 augustus 2026 · 1 uur 27 min

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    Full interview with Dr. Bayo Akomolafe, recorded by SAND founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. Edited portions appear in The Eternal Song; this is the whole conversation. Lees meer

    Bayo moves from his childhood in Lagos to the Orisha who wanted only to travel, from the psychologist's couch he calls too small a space for healing, to the nets slave ship captains strung along their hulls to stop people from jumping. Along the way: why decolonization isn't individual work, why wellness might be a net rather than a cure, what a monster does to a world that's stuck, and the story of a dried African lake whose dust still feeds the Amazon.

    Topics

    00:00:00 — Introduction

    00:12:00 — A recovering psychologist

    00:18:30 — The plurality of healing

    00:28:00 — The one world worldview

    00:36:00 — Addiction, sleeplessness, and dreaming

    00:40:30 — Decolonization, monsters, and the cracks

    00:53:00 — Intergenerational trauma

    00:57:00 — Wellness, and the nets on the slave ship

    01:04:30 — Captivity is never total

    01:08:00 — Arriving on shore

    01:11:00 — Artificial intelligence

    01:18:00 — The collapse of modernity, and dead bones

    Bayo Akomolafe

    Yoruba philosopher, psychologist, poet, and writer. Founder and Executive Director of The Emergence Network, host of the postactivist course series We Will Dance with Mountains, and inaugural Global Senior Fellow of UC Berkeley's Othering and Belonging Institute. He is a board member of Science and Nonduality.

    bayoakomolafe.net

    The Emergence Network

    These Wilds Beyond Our Fences: Letters to My Daughter on Humanity's Search for Home (North Atlantic Books, 2017)

    We Will Tell Our Own Story: The Lions of Africa Speak, with Molefi Kete Asante and Augustine Nwoye

    From SAND

    Liberation Psychology: Roots, Memory & Practice
    A nine-month journey with Dr. Pumla Gobodo-Madikizela, Dr. Jennifer Mullan, Dr. Samah Jabr, Dr. Eduardo Duran, Linda Thai, Dr. Daniel Foor, Dr. Bayo Akomolafe, Alnoor Ladha, and Dr. Lynn Murphy. Bayo teaches Module 8, The Cracks A…

  10. The Unbroken Thread: Pir Zia Inayat Khan

    20 augustus 2026 · 1 uur 3 min

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    Pir Zia on the secret history of the world Lees meer

    From a nondual perspective, aren't the world's great spiritual traditions expressions of a single living wisdom? In this intimate conversation, Pir Zia Inayat Khan explores the inspiration behind Tears from the Mother of the Sun, a sweeping mythic chronicle of sages, exiles, and revelations spanning continents and planes of existence. Drawing on sacred stories from Persia, India, Egypt and beyond, the book weaves the world's legends into a vision of humanity's shared spiritual inheritance. Together we discover the place of myth in a modern world, the imagination as a path of knowing, and the role of our deepest stories in restoring a sense of belonging to one another, to the Earth, and to the mystery that animates us all.

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome

    00:03 Growing up in a universalist lineage

    00:06 Ferdowsi, Soroush, and the frame of the book

    00:11 Why the world's traditions belong to one story

    00:14 History as a living stream: the three worlds

    00:16 The Mongols, violence, and unification

    00:19 "I was a hidden treasure": the beginning of history

    00:22 Syzygy, and the question of AI

    00:29 Honoring the Earth inside our devices

    00:34 Isis, Osiris, and the birth of music at Gaza

    00:43 Grief, contraction, and the opening of the heart

    00:49 Rabia, Noor Inayat Khan, and the green shoots

    Pir Zia Inayat Khan

    Pir Zia Inayat Khan, PhD, is a scholar of religion and teacher of Sufism in the universalist Sufi lineage of his grandfather, Hazrat Inayat Khan. He is president of the Inayatiyya and founder of Sulūk Academy, a school of Sufi contemplative study and practice. He divides his time between Richmond, Virginia and Suresnes, France.

    pirzia.org

    Inayatiyya

    Sulūk Academy

    The book

    Tears from the Mother of the Sun: A Secret History of the World, Inner Traditions, 2026, with full-color paintings by Amruta Patil

    Amruta Patil, writer, painter, and India's first female graphic novelist, author of Kari, Adi Parva, Sauptik, and A…

  11. Arborescence: Robert Moor

    13 augustus 2026 · 58 min

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    Robert Moor is a journalist and essayist whose work has appeared in The New Yorker, Harper's, The Atlantic, Emergence, and The New York Times. His first book, On Trails, won the National Outdoor Book Award and the William Saroyan International Prize. He lives in Halfmoon Bay, British Columbia. His new book is 'In Trees'. Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome, and the new SAND course

    00:04 A tree is a verb, not a noun

    00:06 Branching, brains, and why AI has no roots

    00:13 Pruning, gnarling, and the beauty of wounds

    00:16 The Bodhi tree at Bodh Gaya

    00:19 From On Trails to In Trees

    00:22 Tree thinking and the tree of contents

    00:27 Intelligence without anthropomorphizing

    00:34 Cedars, Haida Gwaii, and deep time

    00:38 Branching futures, many apocalypses, and grief

    00:47 Hierarchy, the rhizome, and the Korowai

    00:52 Rootedness and relationality

    Robert Moor

    In Trees: An Exploration (Simon & Schuster, April 2026)

    On Trails: An Exploration

    Robert Moor at Hill Nadell Literary Agency

    Books mentioned

    Songs for Relinquishing the Earth by Jan Zwicky. Originally hand-sewn by the author on recycled stock and distributed by request; later won the Governor General's Award for Poetry.

    Between Earth and Sky: Our Intimate Connections to Trees by Nalini Nadkarni

    The Hidden Life of Trees by Peter Wohlleben

    Finding the Mother Tree by Suzanne Simard

    The Light Eaters by Zoë Schlanger

    Thus Spoke the Plant by Monica Gagliano

    The Secret Life of Trees by Colin Tudge, source of the "big plant with a stick up the middle" definition

    Indigenizing Philosophy through the Land by Brian Burkhart

    Sand Talk by Tyson Yunkaporta

    A Thousand Plateaus by Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari, source of the rhizome

    A Secular Age by Charles Taylor, source of the buffered and porous self

    “Ancient Green” by Robin Wall Kimmerer

    The Garden of Forking Paths by Jorge Luis Borges

    A Walk in the Woods by Bill Bryson

    People mentioned

    Patrick von Aderkas, tree biologist at the University of Victoria, who de…

  12. Superfluity of AI: Lyla June, Kathy Wan Povi Sanchez & Ashley Nicole Leitka

    6 augustus 2026 · 1 uur 16 min

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    The third conversation in "The Great AI Unraveling", recorded live with our community on July 10, 2026. Lees meer

    Throughout time, humanity has experimented with playing God, and each time we have been humbled by forces larger than ourselves. Many Indigenous Nations consciously chose not to pursue certain technologies, recognizing that not every innovation serves life, and that wisdom lies in understanding the boundaries of nature and those of our human condition.

    As artificial intelligence promises ever greater efficiency, productivity, and control, we are invited to ask a deeper question: Which problem are we really trying to solve? Beneath the relentless pursuit of more—more knowledge, more power, more convenience—lies a profound inquiry into sufficiency, relationship, and meaning.

    Guests

    Dr. Lyla June Johnston (aka Lyla June) is an Indigenous musician, scholar, and community organizer of Diné (Navajo), Tsétsêhéstâhese (Cheyenne) and European lineages.
    Her messages focus on Indigenous rights, supporting youth, traditional land stewardship practices and healing inter-generational and inter-cultural trauma.

    She blends her study of Human Ecology at Stanford, graduate work in Indigenous Pedagogy, and the traditional worldview she grew up with to inform her music, perspectives and solutions. Her doctoral research focused on the ways in which pre-colonial Indigenous Nations shaped large regions of Turtle Island (aka the Americas) to produce abundant food systems for humans and non-humans.

    Ashley Nicole Leitka comes from the Absentee Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma and the Oglala and Sicangu Lakota nations. She lives on Absentee Shawnee land in so-called Oklahoma and is the Director of the Department of Sovereignty and Self-Determination at Honor the Earth.

    Kathy Wan Povi Sanchez is a native spirit-rooted social activist, community educator, traditional blackware potter, and fluent Tewa language speaker from the Tewa Pueblo of San Ildefonso in New Mexico. For more than two deca…

  13. Healing the Soul Wound: Eduardo Duran

    30 juli 2026 · 1 uur 4 min

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    Recorded live at our May 2026 online gathering celebrating Little Singer, the Diné film in The Eternal Song series, this conversation with psychologist Eduardo Duran (Apache/Tewa/Lakota) begins with the prophecy of Crazy Horse and moves through the teachings of the elder who trained him, the soul wound and the origins of the term historical trauma, why Indigenous languages of verbs change how we understand diagnosis, and the Diné teaching of K'é: the universe wired in complete relationship. Trauma, he reminds us, is a movement and not an identity, and the medicine is in the song itself. Eduardo joins the teaching panel of our upcoming live course, Liberation Psychology: Roots, Memory & Practice. Lees meer

    Eduardo Duran (Apache/Tewa/Lakota) is a psychologist and Vietnam veteran who has spent most of his career working in Indigenous communities, informed by Buddhist practice, Native teachings, and heart knowing. His work introduced the concepts of the soul wound and historical trauma into clinical practice. He is the author of Buddha in Redface, Healing the Soul Wound, and Native American Postcolonial Psychology.

    Topics

    00:00:00 — Introduction

    00:01:00 — The prophecy of Crazy Horse

    00:04:00 — Meeting the elder

    00:10:00 — Ordered to write

    00:13:00 — Languages of verbs

    00:19:00 — "They're there"

    00:22:00 — Ceremony and the eternal song

    00:26:00 — Quantum entanglement and K'é

    00:30:00 — Trauma is not an identity

    00:35:00 — Healing the land with prayer

    00:40:00 — "Already holy, sacred, and divine"

    00:44:00 — The dream had you

    00:49:00 — Finding your own roots

    00:55:00 — Closing gratitude

    Resources & Links

    Eduardo Duran

    Buddha in Redface

    Healing the Soul Wound: Trauma-Informed Counseling for Indigenous Communities

    Native American Postcolonial Psychology (with Bonnie Duran)

    SAND & The Eternal Song

    Liberation Psychology: Roots, Memory & Practice — a new live course by SAND, registration is now open

    Watch Little Singer — the Diné film in The Eternal Song series…

  14. Grow, Become, Love, Alone: Nicole Wordlaw

    23 juli 2026 · 50 min

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    Clinical psychologist and longtime Buddhist meditator Dr. Nicole Wordlaw joins us to talk about her new memoir, Waking Up Alone: Navigating the Narrow Passage Through Master-Slave Narratives. Nicole came to practice to end suffering, and found instead that enlightenment as an arrival, all bliss, all peace, was one more construction of the conditioned mind. The conversation moves through the single pattern she came to see beneath white supremacy, patriarchy, and the harm spiritual teachers do to their students; writing as prayer; pain as a door; and the intergenerational line of women whose voices run through the book. A tender and unflinching conversation about telling the whole story, uprooting the internal oppressor, and the quiet, still voice that always sounds like Love. Lees meer

    Dr. Nicole Wordlaw is a clinical psychologist and longtime practitioner of Buddhist meditation whose work bridges psychology, spirituality, and identity. The daughter of a white mother and a Black father, Dr. Wordlaw brings a deeply personal understanding of belonging and self-discovery to her writing and teaching. A Stanford University graduate with honors and distinction, she went on to earn her Ph.D. in clinical psychology from UC Berkeley. In her forthcoming book Waking Up Alone, she vulnerably shares her story of trauma and awakening, and offers gentle guidance for her readers to tune into the quiet voice of truth within.

    Topics

    00:00:00 — Introduction

    00:01:00 — Coming to Buddhism

    00:02:00 — Enlightenment as construction

    00:05:00 — Love meeting pain

    00:06:00 — One pattern of harm

    00:09:00 — Writing as prayer

    00:11:00 — A naked story

    00:15:00 — Somatic abolitionism

    00:19:00 — A long line of women

    00:23:00 — Shadow and teacher misconduct

    00:24:00 — The Sangha Sutra

    00:34:00 — Risking making sense to no one

    00:38:00 — The Word Story

    00:42:00 — The inner teacher

    00:47:00 — Love is not an idea

    Resources & Links

    Dr. Nicole Wordlaw

    Website: nicolewordlaw.com

    Waking Up Alone:…

  15. Songs of Sila: Avianja Rakel Sanimuinaq, Ikimaliq Pikilak & Nuka Alice

    16 juli 2026 · 1 uur 6 min

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    Three Kalaallit Inuit women sit with Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo, who met them while filming on their traditional land in Kalaallit Nunaat (Greenland). Ikimaliq Pikilak carries the revival of Inuit tattooing, Nuka Alice carries drum dance, and Avianja Rakel Sanimuinaq carries her family's lineage of healing. Together they speak about what colonization severed, what gratitude makes survivable in the Arctic, and Sila, the word that holds weather, breath, and the consciousness connecting all living things. Recorded in June 2025 during the launch week of The Eternal Song, this conversation arrives now to celebrate Sila, the new film from Science and Nonduality featuring all three women, streaming at theeternalsong.org/sila. Lees meer

    Guests

    Ikimaliq Pikilak is a Kalaallit tattoo practitioner. Trained in the Western tattoo industry in Denmark, she returned to Greenland and, through the traditionally tattooed mummies of Qilakitsoq, began an eleven-year journey of reclaiming Inuit women's markings: their meanings, their protocols, and their place in healing.

    Nuka Alice Lund is a drum dancer and teacher from the west coast of Kalaallit Nunaat. Taught by Paulina, who gathered songs from the elders of East Greenland, she works to normalize the use of Inuit drum dance and its songs, teaching adults and carrying the stories, intentions, and patience the practice asks for.

    Avianja Rakel Sanimuinaq is a healer working within her family's ancestral lineage. Her practice spans soul retrieval, putting souls to rest, and the older responsibility of rebalancing relations between people, land, and the spirit world. Of mixed Inuk and Danish parentage, she speaks in the conversation about finding her roots through her ancestors and helping others use her roots to find their own.

    Timestamps

    00:00 — Introduction: The Eternal Song, the new film Sila, and the July 28–29 live gathering

    00:05 — Ikimaliq: the mummies, the gap in memory, and the return of Inuit tattooing

    00:07 — What the markings m…

  16. Reigniting Indigenous Science: Maceo Carrillo Martinet

    9 juli 2026 · 50 min

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    Restoration ecologist and author Dr. Maceo Carrillo Martinet joins us to talk about his new book Healing the Land Teaches Us Who We Are: How Indigenous Cultural Resistance Can Restore the Earth, Recover Community, and Create Sustainable Futures. Grounded in over two decades of community-based restoration work across New Mexico, Maceo makes the case that the climate solutions we're searching for already exist and are already being practiced by communities around the world. The book is structured around the four elements — water, earth, fire, and air — treating each not as a category but as a relative with something to say. We move through the memory of ancient Pueblo dry-land farming still visible on La Bajada Mesa, the racism embedded in the history of American fire suppression, and the idea that culture and science were never actually separate to begin with. A conversation about returning to first principles, in a time when the polycrisis makes that return feel urgent. Lees meer

    Guest

    Dr. Maceo Carrillo Martinet is an award-winning restoration ecologist who has spent over 20 years co-creating community-based restoration and education projects across New Mexico and beyond. Since 2008, he has worked with the Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program, assisting private landowners, tribes, cities, and counties. He holds a PhD in biology from the University of New Mexico with a focus on ecology, freshwater sciences, and environmental education. He teaches a hands-on course at UNM on watershed and community restoration.

    Topics

    00:00 — Introduction

    00:02 — The Rio Grande community tree planting during COVID

    00:06 — Wounds as portals: what the pandemic revealed

    00:09 — La Bajada Mesa & ancient Pueblo dry-land farming

    00:14 — Redefining Indigenous science as communal science

    00:20 — The four-element framework of the book

    00:23 — Elements as relatives, not categories

    00:26 — Wildfires, racism & the history of fire suppression

    00:33 — The Oakland Museum's "Good Fire" exhibit
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  17. What Occupation Does to the Soul: Samah Jabr, Gabor Maté, Jennifer Mullan, Facilitated by Jess Ghannam

    2 juli 2026 · 1 uur 1 min

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    Global Reverberations of Palestinian Historical Trauma: A SAND Community Gathering with Dr. Samah Jabr, Dr. Gabor Maté & Dr. Jennifer Mullan, facilitated by Dr. Jess Ghannam Lees meer

    Join us for a conversation marking the book launch of Radiance and Pain in Resilience, a powerful collection of essays by Palestinian psychiatrist, psychotherapist, and internationally respected mental health advocate Dr. Samah Jabr.

    We are gathering in the midst of genocide. The massive, deliberate traumatization of an entire people, cheered, funded, and shielded from accountability by Western governments, is unfolding in real time. As Israel’s assault on Gaza continues to annihilate bodies, families, and entire lineages, this conversation refuses to look away. It asks what it is to tend to the psyche under conditions of systematic destruction.

    Drawing on decades of clinical practice, political analysis, and lived experience under occupation, Dr. Jabr examines the psychological consequences of colonization, displacement, and historical trauma on the Palestinian people. Through personal reflections, case studies, and cultural critique, she challenges dominant Western paradigms of mental health and offers a decolonial, psycho-spiritual framework rooted in dignity, collective care, resistance, and truth.

    Proceeds from this conversation go directly to Project Hope Palestine, supporting 500 orphaned children living at Al-Baraka orphan camp in Gaza.

    Guests

    Dr. Samah Jabr is a psychiatrist practicing in Palestine, serving communities in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. She was formerly Head of the Mental Health Unit within the Palestinian Ministry of Health and is an Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at George Washington University. She is the author of several books including Behind the Frontlines, Sumud, Sumud in Times of Genocide, and most recently Radiance in Pain and Resilience: The Global Reverberations of Palestinian Historical Trauma.

    Dr. Gabor Maté is…

  18. Animism, Activism & Ancestry: Daniel Foor

    25 juni 2026 · 53 min

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    Daniel Foor returns to Sounds of SAND for a wide-ranging conversation that moves from his own winding spiritual path to the urgent question of why so many spiritual teachers stay silent in the face of injustice. A doctor of psychology, initiated priest in the Yoruba Ifá tradition, and practicing Muslim, Daniel makes the case that animism is the antidote to human supremacy, that Islam is fundamentally a relational and earth-honoring tradition, and that genuine spirituality cannot retreat from the political realities of our time. Along the way, he speaks candidly about ancestral healing, decolonization, the genocide in Gaza, and what it means to become "regular-sized" in a culture built on separation. Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 — Welcome back & reconnecting with SAND

    00:01 — Daniel's path: shamanism, psychology & many lineages

    00:04 — Animism as the antidote to human supremacy

    00:09 — Environmental problems are human behavior problems

    00:10 — Is Islam animist? Sufism & the heart of the tradition

    00:15 — Relationship is not worship: rethinking animism

    00:20 — Giving the more-than-human a seat at the table

    00:23 — "Blown-out" lineages & relearning relationship

    00:26 — Spiritual responsibility & the silence around Gaza

    00:31 — When silence becomes a moral failure

    00:34 — The differential valuation of human life

    00:38 — What Daniel is building: ancestral & earth ritual trainings

    00:42 — Why pre-colonial ancestral connection matters

    00:43 — Becoming "regular-sized": the antidote to extreme individualism

    00:49 — Right relationship, humility & closing reflections

    Resources & Links

    Ancestral Medicine — Daniel Foor's website, courses, trainings & practitioner directory

    Ancestral & Lineage Healing Course

    Practitioner Directory — ancestral healing in 30+ languages, offered remotely with financial accessibility

    Ancestral Medicine: Rituals for Personal and Family Healing (book)

    SAND Films

    Where Olive Trees Weep

    The Eternal Song (series of 12 films)

    Referenced

    Graham H…

  19. Tending the Whole: Nkem Ndefo & Staci K. Haines, Facilitated by Rae Abileah

    18 juni 2026 · 55 min

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    There is a “false wall” often placed between contemplative life and political action—a story implying that inner peace and outer justice are separate vocations. This imaginary divide exhausts us. In a world facing converging crises, how do those dedicated to healing move beyond the limits of individualized work to support systemic transformation? Lees meer

    Join somatics experts and social change practitioners Nkem Ndefo and Staci K. Haines for a conversation introducing The Outer Work Project; an initiative dedicated to bridging trauma healing spaces with sustained social and climate justice movements. This episode explores how to move from personal healing as solely an inward practice into a rooted force for collective change.

    Guests

    Nkem Ndefo is an alchemist, disabled Black midwife, facilitator, coach, and strategist. She is the founder of Lumos Transforms and creator of The Resilience Toolkit, a model for embodied healing and liberatory change rooted in neuroscience and social justice. Her work spans the US, UK, and Palestine.

    Staci K. Haines has been working at the intersections of personal and social transformation for over 30 years through politicized somatics, trauma healing, embodied leadership, and transformative justice. She is the co-founder of Generative Somatics and co-leads The Outer Work Project. She is the author of The Politics of Trauma: Somatics, Healing and Social Justice.

    Rae Abileah (facilitator) is a social change strategist, Jewish faith leader, and member of the SAND team. Her work spans Beautiful Trouble, The Nature Conservancy Agility Lab, and ALAS, weaving cultural connection, the arts, and frontline community leadership as pathways to healing and climate justice.

    Timestamps

    00:00 — Welcome & opening from SAND

    00:03 — Rae opens: breathing, interdependence, and tending the whole amidst brokenness

    00:07 — Nkem and Staci introduce themselves: lineage, the politic of suffering, and why this work

    00:15 — The false wall: separating spiritual …

  20. Sacred Remembering in Times of War: Dr. Jaiya John (Mshkiki Odeh Inini, Medicine Heart Man)

    11 juni 2026 · 1 uur 26 min

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    Recorded live at a SAND Community Gathering (April 2026) Lees meer

    Hard times are here, we hunger for voices that can see beyond the fear, beyond the noise, beyond the technologies consuming our attention. We need poets and visionaries. People who remember freedom.

    Dr. Jaiya John (Mshkiki Odeh Inini, Medicine Heart Man), medicine poet, freedom worker, is one of those voices. He has spent his life gathering words that heal. In this conversation, we enter the beauty, the grief, and the medicine together. We sit with the devastation tearing our world, the sorrows cracking us open, the ancestors still holding us—and the radical insistence that collective freedom is not something we chase. It is something already alive in and between us, waiting to be birthed.

    Dr. Jaiya John (Mshkiki Odeh Inini, Medicine Heart Man) was orphan-born on ancient Indigenous Anasazi and Pueblo lands in the high desert of New Mexico. He is an ancestral Baba, freedom worker, medicine poet, and the founder of Soul Water Rising—a global mission to eradicate oppression through re-humanization, book donations, and grants to displaced youth. He is the author of numerous books including Freedom: Medicine Words for your Brave Revolution and Fragrance After Rain, and the creator of the podcast I Will Read for You. A former professor of social psychology at Howard University, he holds a doctorate from UC Santa Cruz and has spoken to over a million people worldwide. His Indigenous soul dreams of frybread, sweetgrass, bamboo in the breeze, and turtle lakes whose poetry is peace.

    Watch the full video version of this conversation.

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome and Land Acknowledgment

    02:31 Guest Bio and Introduction

    03:51 Opening Blessing and Heart Question

    05:10 Reclaiming Anger as Medicine

    08:08 Libation Prayer for the World

    15:57 Anger Rage and Lifted Veils

    20:19 Rethinking War and Remembering Water

    25:18 Gather Your People Reading

    33:04 Grief Poetry and Inner Wars

    36:13 War Wants Us Small

    40:30 Soul Condit…

  21. Awakening in Times of Collapse: Stephan Bodian

    4 juni 2026 · 40 min

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    Stephan offers webinars, retreats, videos, books, and spiritual counseling that make profound spiritual teachings and practices accessible to a global audience. He studied and practiced for many years with great masters in the nondual wisdom traditions of Zen, Dzogchen-Mahamudra, and Advaita Vedanta, and in 2001 he received Dharma transmission (authorization to teach) from Adyashanti. Lees meer

    In this conversation, recorded to mark the release of his new book Infinite Awakening: A Guide to Nondual Wisdom and the Pathless Path (Shambhala, May 2026), Stephan and Michael explore awakening not as a destination but as an ongoing, infinite process. They move through trauma and trust, the limits of mindfulness, the role of intimate relationship as spiritual path, and how nondual realization speaks — or fails to speak — to the metacrisis we're all living through. The episode closes with a guided "rest and allow" meditation from Stephan.

    Topics

    00:00 — Reconnecting

    00:04 — Awakening as a Path

    00:10 — Trauma & Trust

    00:16 — IFS & Somatic Therapy

    00:18 — Intimate Relationships as Spiritual Path

    00:21 — Spiritual Bypassing

    00:27 — The Limits of Mindfulness

    00:33 — Guided Meditation: Rest and Allow by Stephan

    Resources & Links

    Stephan Bodian

    Website: infinite-awakening.org

    Infinite Awakening: A Guide to Nondual Wisdom and the Pathless Path — Shambhala/Penguin Random House, May 2026

    Beyond Mindfulness — referenced in the conversation

    Meditation for Dummies — Stephan Bodian

    Psychology Today interview: "Stephan Bodian on Our Innate Drive to Awaken"

    Referenced teachers and books

    Adyashanti — website — gave Stephan Dharma transmission; wrote the foreword to Infinite Awakening

    Ramana Maharshi — Wikipedia — referenced in discussion of awakening ideals

    Nisargadatta Maharaj — Wikipedia — "I am That"; referenced in discussion of true nature

    Thich Nhat Hanh — "inter-being" — referenced in discussion of inseparability and nonduality

    Ram Dass — "go home to your parents" — refe…

  22. Mysticism of Sound & Music: Michael Harrison (Encore)

    21 mei 2026 · 59 min

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    We are resharing this episode in memory of Michael Harrison, who passed away on April 17, 2026. He was 67. Lees meer

    In this episode, we discuss the life and work of musician and Sufi teacher Hazrat Inayat Khan with composer/pianist and Inayat Khan scholar Michael Harrison.

    Hazrat Inayat Khan ( July 1882 – 5 February 1927) was an Indian professor of musicology, singer, exponent of the saraswati vina, poet, philosopher, and pioneer of the transmission of Sufism to the West. At the urging of his students, and on the basis of his ancestral Sufi tradition and four-fold training and authorization at the hands of Sayyid Abu Hashim Madani (d. 1907) of Hyderabad, he established an order of Sufism (the Sufi Order) in London in 1914. By the time of his death in 1927, centers had been established throughout Europe and North America, and multiple volumes of his teachings had been published.

    Michael Harrison (October 24, 1958 - April 17, 2026) forged a new approach to composition through just intonation (the system of tuning based on pure harmonic proportions). His works blend classical music traditions of Europe and North India. He is a Guggenheim Fellowship and NYFA Artist Fellowship recipient.

    Michael created dedicated tuning systems for many of his works. He pioneered a structural approach to composition in which the proportions of harmonic relationships organically determine other musical elements such as pitch, duration, and dynamics. He also invented the “harmonic piano,” a grand piano that plays 24 notes per octave, documented in the Grove Dictionary of Musical Instruments. Harrison seeks expressions of universality via the physics of sound – music that brings one into a state of concentrated listening as a meditative and even mind-altering experience.

    At the time of his death he was working on “The Raga Cycle”, a series of albums charting the hours of the day through Hindustani raga. The first installment, Evening Light, was released in March 2026 on Cantaloupe Records. Mor…

  23. The Great AI Unraveling, Part 2: Tiokasin Ghosthorse & Pooja Prema

    14 mei 2026 · 1 uur 23 min

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    This is the second gathering in SAND's ongoing series on AI and the human spirit — and it takes a deliberately different rhythm. Rather than asking "is AI safe?" or "will it take our jobs?", Tiokasin Ghosthorse and Pooja Prema invite us to slow down and ask the deeper questions: What cosmology is AI extending? What is intelligence, really? And what happens when the earth-based, organic, living intelligence of Indigenous and ancestral ways of knowing gets replaced by a synthetic one? A spacious, felt-sense conversation that asks us to remember what a living mind actually is. Lees meer

    Timestamps

    00:00 — Welcome & framing the deeper questions

    00:04 — Opening body practice: tuning into felt sense before speaking

    00:07 — Tiokasin: AI as the latest ship on the shore — colonization in a new form

    00:17 — "There is no artificial intuition" — what technology cannot replace

    00:18 — Pooja: the cosmology behind AI — colonial linearity vs. the curving motherboard of Earth

    00:25 — AI as the latest savior narrative — and why that story keeps repeating

    00:45 — Who owns the data? Who controls the intelligence? The politics of AI

    01:05 — AI as therapist, AI replacing elders — the cost to young people and mental health

    01:10 — Ghost in the Machine: how to resist empire over the long game

    01:15 — Closing: "Our body is the mystic" — an invitation to make this a living inquiry

    Guests

    Tiokasin Ghosthorse is a member of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation and lifelong Indigenous activist. He is the founder and host of First Voices Radio, which broadcast for 33 years before its final episode in July 2025. He was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2016, is a National Native American Hall of Fame nominee, and a master musician who performs worldwide. He describes himself simply as "a perfectly flawed human being." He is also featured in SAND's film The Eternal Song.

    Pooja Prema is a first-generation Indian American writer, multidisciplinary artist, and ritualist from Kerala, South India…

  24. The Indigenous Paradigm: Pat McCabe & Lynn Murphy

    7 mei 2026 · 1 uur 2 min

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    Originally recorded at Science and Nonduality, 2021 Lees meer

    Pat McCabe, also known as Woman Stands Shining, is a Diné elder, ceremonial prayer leader, and international speaker adopted into the Lakota spiritual way of life. In this conversation hosted by Lynn Murphy, Pat offers a profound invitation to examine the foundational assumptions of the modern world paradigm and consider what it might mean to live from a genuinely different understanding of what it is to be human.

    Drawing on teachings from her clan grandfather, her experience of intergenerational trauma and survival, and her deep inquiry into masculine and feminine principles, Pat maps the territory between the glittering world we are leaving and the green world we are entering. The conversation opens in ceremony and closes with a practice: a morning sunrise offering that anyone can begin today.

    Lynn Murphy is a strategic advisor for foundations and NGOs working in the geopolitical South. She was a senior fellow and program officer at the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation where she focused on international education and global development. She resigned as a ”conscientious objector” to neocolonial philanthropy. She holds an MA and PhD in international comparative education from Stanford University. She is also a certified Laban/Bartenieff movement analyst.

    This episode is released in celebration of SAND’s new film featuring Pat McCabe, Little Singer, premiering online May 26-28, 2026, as part of the Eternal Song series.

    Timestamps

    00:00:00 — Introduction

    00:01:45 — Lynn Murphy introduces Pat McCabe: Diné nation, Lakota spiritual way, Defend the Sacred alliance

    00:05:00 — Pat introduces herself through her clans — clan names as places on the earth, worlds more than this one

    00:07:00 — Traveling through worlds: the flood, men and women, and the movement from the glittering world to the green world

    00:15:00 — The two paradigms: indigenous versus modern world — "I am a human being, relative to all my relat…

  25. What Empire Cannot Erase: Fatemeh Keshavarz-Karamustafa, Omid Safi & Mays Imad

    30 april 2026 · 1 uur 17 min

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    Persian Poetry, Radical Love, and the Soul of Iran Lees meer

    “The path to God goes through that most difficult of beings, the human being.”

    – Omid Safi

    Recorded live at a SAND Community Gathering (April 2026). Watch the full conversation on the SAND Website.

    We are watching, once again, what empire does: not only to bodies, but to the long memory of a people; to the libraries and sacred sites; to art, language, and the ruins that hold the oldest threads of human spiritual inquiry.

    We are thinking of the civilization that gave us Rumi, Hafez, Omar Khayyam, Forough Farrokhzad — mystics and rebels and lovers of paradox who understood something about the human soul that we are still, centuries later, trying to catch up to.

    This gathering invited us to come together: to read poetry aloud, to hear from Iranian voices, to sit with grief and beauty together rather than alone.

    We work with political and moral vocabulary shaped by Iranian thinkers such as Ali Shariati, who wrote against domination, spiritual emptiness, and the violence of imposed power.

    We make space for what doesn’t fit into headlines or talking points—the complexity of empire, the difference between a government and its people, the authoritarian forces at work not only abroad but here at home. We also gather with the political inheritance of those who taught generations to resist domination and spiritual emptiness, including Ali Shariati.

    Guests

    Omid Safi is a scholar of the Islamic mystical tradition and professor of Islamic Studies at Duke University. He is the author of Memories of Muhammad and Radical Love: Teachings from the Islamic Mystical Tradition, and teaches online courses on Muslim mysticism. He leads contemplative journeys to Turkey, Morocco, and Mecca/Medina through Illuminated Courses.

    Fatemeh Keshavarz is the Roshan Institute Chair in Persian Language and Literature and Director of the Roshan Institute Center for Persian Studies at the University of Maryland. A poet in Persian and English,…

  26. The Great AI Unraveling: Tristan Harris

    23 april 2026 · 1 uur 30 min

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    Recorded live at SAND Community Gathering (April 2026). Watch the full conversion on the SAND Website. Lees meer

    SAND has launched a special series on Artificial Intelligence.

    To premiere this series, we spoke with tech ethicist Tristan Harris—co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology. In this conversation, we explored his warnings about the impending age of AI. According to Harris, the current trajectory isn’t just menacing the economy, but fundamentally rewiring human relationships, altering parenting and mental health, potentially accelerating climate collapse, and even threatening the very fabric of society. We inquired into ways to remain human in an era where machines can simulate empathy, displace our labor, and potentially outmaneuver us.

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome and Context

    00:42 Why This AI Talk

    01:32 Introducing Tristan Harris

    03:15 Setting the Basics

    04:10 From Narrow to New AI

    06:18 Rubber Band Reality Check

    08:31 Transformers and Scaling

    11:00 Infinity Upside and Risk

    14:49 Defining AGI and ASI

    18:18 Jagged Capabilities and Hype

    21:33 Singularity and Anti Human Drift

    23:26 Incentives Behind the Future

    27:29 The Intelligence Curse

    32:22 Devaluing Humans and Consensus

    37:56 Planetary Costs of Data Centers

    39:41 Why We Keep Building It

    42:46 Extinction Risk and Safety Math

    45:20 AI in War and Arms Race

    47:36 Leaders Unaware of Runaway Signs

    48:26 Leaders Fear AI Power

    49:02 Nuclear War Game Theory

    49:41 Infinite Games Mindset

    51:11 AI as Extractive Empire

    52:27 From Shadow to Action

    53:55 Building the Human Movement

    57:25 Four-Step Action Plan

    59:44 Grassroots Wins and Bans

    01:02:18 Nonprofit Progress and Lawsuits

    01:07:51 Talking to Teens Effectively

    01:10:05 Governance and Citizen Assemblies

    01:12:19 Spiritual Hopes vs Incentives

    01:15:12 Accelerationism and Choice

    01:18:22 Policy Maker Ten Minute Brief

    01:21:26 Countering Transhumanist Ideology

    01:23:45 Changing Culture and Incentives

    01:27:12 Final Reflections and Gratit…

  27. Mongolian Dharma Poetry: Simon Wickhamsmith

    16 april 2026 · 56 min

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    Simon Wickhamsmith is a Buddhist monk turned scholar, computer musician, and one of the only translators of Mongolian literature into English. He teaches in the Writing Program at Rutgers University and has been traveling back and forth to Mongolia since 2006. In this conversation he traces his spiritual path from Catholicism through Tibetan Buddhism and back to medieval Christian mysticism, introduces the Mongolian poet Mend-Ooyo, and takes us deep into the life and poetry of the 19th century Buddhist polymath Danzanravjaa — a figure Simon considers his primary teacher — including a live reading of the poem Twos, a stunning meditation on nonduality from the Mongolian steppe. Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 — Introduction

    00:02 — Simon's spiritual path: Catholicism, Opus Dei, the Desert Fathers, and Zen

    00:04 — Discovering Tibetan Buddhism, Samye Ling monastery in Scotland, and ordaining as a monk

    00:06 — The three-year retreat, his mother's illness, and returning to the world

    00:07 — Returning to medieval Christian mysticism: Julian of Norwich, Meister Eckhart, The Cloud of Unknowing

    00:10 — How SAND connected with Mend-Ooyo in Mongolia — and how Simon met him

    00:12 — Teaching himself Mongolian by translating Danzanravjaa's complete works

    00:13 — Introducing Mend-Ooyo: born 1952 into a nomadic herding family, poet and cultural guardian of Mongolia

    00:16 — The underground literary group GAL (Fire) and Mend-Ooyo's role in Mongolian literary culture

    00:18 — Mend-Ooyo's mission: reconnecting Mongolia to its nomadic heritage after Soviet collapse

    00:19 — Mend-Ooyo's new novel The Solitary Tree: Robin Hood, shamanism, Buddhism, and falcons

    00:23 — Who was Danzanravjaa? Born in the Gobi Desert, recognized as the fifth reincarnation of the Noyon Hutagt

    00:26 — Danzanravjaa's approach: spontaneous, impromptu poetry as dharma teaching

    00:28 — Mongolia's first traveling theater troupe and the poems as dictated teachings

    00:31 — Live reading and analysis of Perfect Qualities — a…

  28. Ancient Minoan Wisdom: Chiara Baldini

    2 april 2026 · 53 min

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    Researcher, author, and PhD candidate Chiara Baldini has spent two decades tracing the roots of ecstatic culture in Europe — from the rituals of Dionysus all the way back to Bronze Age Crete and the ancient Minoans, a civilization that thrived for over a thousand years before classical Greece. In this conversation, Chiara makes a compelling case that the Minoans may have been the only advanced civilization of their era not built on domination — their palaces functioning as community spaces rather than elite residencies, their frescoes showing priestesses, dolphins, and bull-jumping athletes rather than kings and conquest. She explores what their art, architecture, and animist relationship to nature might offer us now — not as a culture to imitate, but as proof that patriarchy is not inevitable, and that a radically different set of values has thrived before. Lees meer

    Chiara Baldini is a scholar, author, speaker and freelance curator from Florence (Italy). She investigates the evolution of the ecstatic cult in the West, particularly in Minoan Crete, ancient Greece, and Rome, contributing to anthologies, psychedelic conferences, and festivals. She was a member of the Boom Festival team since 2010 and the curator of Boom’s cultural area Liminal Village from 2014 to 2023. She has co-curated the anthology “Psychedelic Mysteries of the Feminine.” She is currently a PhD candidate at the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS). She lives in Portugal and she expresses her deep love for music by playing as DJ Clandestina.

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome

    02:02 Reconnecting with Chiara and Recent Life Changes

    03:31 Dionysus and Ecstatic Traditions

    06:38 Going Back to the Minoans

    10:07 Bronze Age Patriarchy and War

    18:02 Minoan Palaces and Community Life

    21:18 Frescoes Dolphins and Priestesses

    26:34 Seal Rings and Undeciphered Script

    32:18 Bull Jumping and Gender Fluidity

    37:20 Why Minoans Matter Today

    44:31 Modern Crete LARPing and Animism

    49:30 Courses, Books and Closing

    R…

  29. The Architecture of Silence in Spiritual Culture: Gabor Maté, Bayo Akomolafe, Pat McCabe, Tara Brach, V & Matthew Remski

    26 maart 2026 · 1 uur 43 min

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    Recorded live at a SAND Community Gathering (March 2026). Lees meer

    Something is cracking open in the spiritual and wellness world; and it has been for a while. Have wisdom traditions containing genuine gifts been composted into a product that only serves the very forces those traditions were born to resist?

    It is no news that some powerful spiritual leaders with devoted followers have, for a long time, abused that power for dominance and, in many cases, for sexual exploitation. The Epstein files are not an interruption to the pattern; they are the pattern, made suddenly impossible to scroll past.

    We want to reflect on the conditions—not just the men, not just the crimes, but the architecture of silence that held it all in place. What kind of spiritual culture produces that silence? What kind of spiritual culture makes it possible to look at harm and call it a lesson in perception? What has gone awry with our approach to spirituality when the latter can be used as a cover for abuse? How come much of the therapeutic and spiritual communities remain silent in the face of crimes witnessed by the entire world?

    To explore these and related issues, this discussion brought together mytho-poetic spiritual teacher Bayo Akomolafe Ph.D., writer & podcaster Matthew Remsiki, author & playwright V, spiritual teacher & psychologist Tara Brach and author & physician Gabor Maté in a wide-ranging discussion that will also invite audience participation.

    The intention is to leave participants encouraged to find the spiritual inner strength needed to pursue truth without losing discrimination in the process, without giving away their power; to discuss compassionately, without judgment but with clarity, what the Epstein revelations can tell us about who we are, about our culture, and about the nature of how we construct reality; to move beyond a so-called equanimity and “non-attachment” that is indistinguishable from numbness and passivity in the face of harm, in the face of evil.

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  30. Transforming Colonization, Extractivism & Socio-Ecological Injustice: Casey Camp-Horinek, Osprey Orielle Lake, Abby Reyes & Rae Abileah

    21 maart 2026 · 1 uur 4 min

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    Recorded live at SAND's Wisdom of the Ancestors event for the launch of the film series The Eternal Song, four powerful voices converge to address colonization, extractivism, and ecological injustice — and what it takes to move toward healing. Moderated by Rae Abileah, social change strategist, Jewish faith leader, and co-creator of the global Climate Ribbon art ritual. Lees meer

    Abby Reyes, author of Truth Demands and Director of Community Resilience at UC Irvine, shares her harrowing personal story of the 1999 murders of her partner and colleagues near U'wa territory in Colombia, and a landmark recent Inter-American Court victory for Indigenous collective rights. Osprey Orielle Lake, founder of WECAN International and author of The Story Is in Our Bones, brings a worldview-shifting lens to the climate crisis as a justice and relational emergency. And Casey Camp-Horinek, elder, actress, and Hereditary Drumkeeper of the Ponca Nation, grounds the conversation in Indigenous sovereignty and the Rights of Nature. Together they call for community-rooted action, mutual aid, and what they name "post-traumatic growth."

    Topics:

    00:00 Host Welcome and Land Acknowledgment

    03:12 Session Theme and Intentions

    04:48 Meet the Panelists

    08:10 Why We Are Here

    18:59 Indigenous Rights and Knowledge

    25:14 Casey on Nature and Purification

    34:29 Abby Story and Legal Victory

    43:56 Meaningful Action and Getting Started

    50:32 Community Practice and Post Traumatic Growth

    57:58 Closing Reflections and Thanks

    Resources

    Rae Abileah

    CreateWell — Website

    Beautiful Trouble Bio

    Abby Reyes

    Website

    Truth Demands — Penguin Random House

    UC Irvine Community Resilience

    Osprey Orielle Lake

    WECAN International

    The Story Is in Our Bones — New Society Publishers

    Casey Camp-Horinek

    Movement Rights Bio

    SAND Feature

    Connect with more talks from The Wisdom of the Ancestors in the SAND film Series The Eternal Song

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  31. Reading As Resistance: Patty Krawec

    12 maart 2026 · 54 min

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    Patty Krawec is Ojibwe Anishinaabe, a retired social worker, and author of Becoming Kin and her new book Bad Indians Book Club. In this conversation she explores kinship beyond blood, land as ancestor, and why reading together — slowly, in community — might be one of the most quietly radical things we can do right now. Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction

    00:56 Meeting Patty Krawec

    02:00 Land Lineage Roots

    04:17 Becoming Kin Origins

    06:43 Bad Indians Book Club

    10:12 Reindigenizing The Future

    14:55 Reclaiming The Word

    20:28 Reading Together Power

    25:06 Attention In The Feed

    25:27 Relearning Deep Reading

    26:10 Notebook Trick for Focus

    26:54 Building a Genre Mosaic

    29:00 Indigenous Horror and Futures

    31:53 Read Widely Use Libraries

    32:18 Curated Lists and Book Browsing

    34:26 Bookstore Serendipity

    36:30 AI Pushes Us Offline

    38:18 Books as Time Alchemy

    41:58 Ghost the System Together

    44:10 Deep Time Reading Lineage

    47:14 New Projects and Ojibwe Stories

    49:59 Thanks and Farewell

    Resources

    a thousand worlds

    Medicine for the Resistance

    Why We Are Both Oppressed and Oppressor: Patty Krawec

    Becoming Kin

    Bad Indians Book Club

    The Eternal Song

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  32. Block by Block, Heart by Heart: Dr. Lyla June, Kaira Jewel Lingo, Rabbi Jessica Rosenberg & Rae Abileah

    5 maart 2026 · 1 uur 17 min

    Afspelen
    Recorded from a live SAND Gathering (February 2026). From Los Angeles to Minneapolis, communities are turning toward one another in a time of uncertainty, remembering that care begins close to home. Beyond public action, quieter networks of support are taking root: block-by-block relationships grounded in land, lineage, and love. Lees meer

    This gathering explores how spiritual practice, trauma-aware care, and neighborhood organizing are being woven together as living traditions. We ask what it looks like to shift our energy from reactive mobilization toward steady, proactive organizing that can sustain us for the long haul. Drawing from Indigenous memory, Black freedom traditions, diasporic Jewish practices of care, and contemporary grassroots work, we reflect on how mutual care—feeding one another, tending grief, protecting children, honoring the dead—can be reclaimed as daily sacred practice.

    This is a conversation about blending spiritual practice and movement practice; about thinking smaller, closer, and more relational; and about learning from quiet, resilient forms of organizing that move people from isolation into coordinated courage.

    This conversation invites attunement: How do we stay grounded in grief without collapsing? How do we strengthen relationships across differences? How do small, steady acts of care help communities move from fear toward shared courage?

    This is an invitation to listen to the wisdom already alive in our histories, our bodies, and our neighborhoods.

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome and Context

    02:33 Grounding Breath Practice

    03:22 Why We Gather Now

    05:19 Meet the Speakers

    07:36 Lyila June on Collapse

    09:12 Chaco Canyon Lesson

    12:36 Kaira Jewel on Flow

    16:39 Rejoicing and Ancestors

    20:04 Rabbi Jessica in Minneapolis

    24:54 Sacred Geography and Duty

    29:59 Lyla June on Forgiveness

    36:22 Liberation for Everyone

    37:32 Grace and Sobriety Story

    39:06 Jewish Wisdom and Mutual Care

    41:27 Feasting Fuels Mutual Aid

    45:53 Spirituality Is Not Neu…

  33. Medicine in Our Wounds: Liza Rankow

    26 februari 2026 · 1 uur 7 min

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    Dr. Liza J. Rankow, author of Soul Medicine for a Fractured World, explores healing justice in a time of social and ecological upheaval. She names oppositional dualism and domination as the root fracture of our world and invites a shift toward lived non-duality as the ground of lasting transformation. The conversation touches the “crucible of the in-between,” apocalypse as death and renewal, grief as medicine, and the movement from commodified self-care to soul care rooted in spirit, community, and nature. The conversation emphasized deep listening, silence, and relationship with the living world. Today’s episode closes with a simple guided breath practice for self, loved ones, and the world. Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 Opening

    01:20 Why This Book Now

    03:41 What’s Fracturing Us

    07:21 Crucible of the In Between

    14:52 Medicine in the Wound

    20:11 Grief as Collective Wisdom

    26:28 Soul Care vs Self Care

    32:02 Mystic Activism and Oneness

    34:57 Breath And Service

    35:59 No Spiritual Bypass

    37:00 Oneness With Perpetrators

    39:18 Mysticism And Justice

    41:08 Nature As Practice

    44:23 Purpose And Gifts

    47:44 Deep Listening

    53:25 Silence And Reckoning

    56:13 Darkness As Source

    58:20 Closing Practice And Book

    Resources

    LizaRankow.org

    Soul Medicine for a Fractured World

    “Mysticism and Social Action” by Dr. Howard Thurman

    Soul Work for Times of Uncertainty - SAND Podcast with Francis Weller

    Engaged Contemplation - SAND Podcast with Fr. Adam Bucko

    Glissando of Consciousness - SAND Podcast with Andrew Holecek

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  34. "If I Must Die": Samah Jabr & Mays Imad

    19 februari 2026 · 1 uur 27 min

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    Recorded live at a SAND Community Gathering (Feb 2026) Lees meer

    Dr. Samah Jabr, a Palestinian psychiatrist and author of Radiance in Pain and Resilience, joins Dr. Mays Imad (with questions from the audience chat) for a conversation about what it means to stay human when the structures meant to protect people are the ones doing the harm. Drawing on decades of clinical work inside the occupation, Dr. Jabr moves past the “sanitized” versions of trauma to speak directly to the heart of colonial harm in Palestine.

    Central to this dialogue is an exploration of the deep ontological differences between Western psychiatric models and Palestinian lived experience. While Western frameworks often pathologize the individual through the lens of PTSD, Dr. Jabr introduces the concept of iptila—viewing tribulations through a framework of agency, faith, and collective endurance. She challenges the frequent romanticization of sumud (steadfastness), reframing it not as a poetic trope, but as a grueling relational practice and an ethical refusal to disappear when everything conspires toward Palestinian erasure.

    In a reality where the harm never ends, memory becomes a battlefield, grief a form of testimony, bearing witness an active refusal to normalize the unacceptable, and storytelling a vital survival infrastructure against the assassination of memory.

    Join Dr. Samah Jabr · March 1, 8, 15 & 22, 2026 • 9:00 – 11:00am PST
    Decolonial Mental Health Practice: Clinical and Ethical Insights from Palestine
    A four-part webinar presented by SAND

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome & Why We Need a New Framework for Trauma and Justice

    02:15 “If I Must Die”: Carrying Memory, Refusing Normalization

    03:13 Introducing Dr. Samah Jabr’s Work: Pain, Power, and a Counter-Narrative

    07:55 A Childhood Lesson in Naming: Robinson Crusoe and Colonial Language

    10:10 Clinic Stories: When Political Reality Shapes Symptoms

    14:14 Beyond Western Psychiatry: Language, Resilience, and Context as the ‘Pathology’

    17:19 The ‘Fear …

  35. Consciousness: Tiokasin Ghosthorse

    12 februari 2026 · 1 uur 7 min

    Afspelen
    What if language was not a tool for naming things, but a vibration of relationship? Lees meer

    What if intelligence wasn’t a human asset, but an ecological rhythm?

    What if consciousness is not what happens in our heads—but what happens between us, through us, with the land, with water, with wind?

    Come gather for a conversation with Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Cheyenne River Lakota elder, host of First Voices Radio, master musician, and steward of relational ways of knowing. Rooted in the vibrational teachings of the old Lakota language, a language shaped by Earth and used to speak with, not about, Tiokasin invites us to unlearn the dominance of human-centered thought and listen again to Earth as consciousness.

    First Voices Indigenous Radio

    Butterfly Against the Wind

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction and Greetings

    00:48 Introducing Tiokasin Ghosthorse

    01:28 Tiokasin's Background and Philosophy

    04:36 The Concept of Land Acknowledgement

    05:59 Relational Values and Indigenous Wisdom

    08:02 Language and Consciousness

    16:09 Mystery and Present Consciousness

    27:54 Environmentalism and Connection to Earth

    35:04 Understanding WIA and Innocence

    36:34 The Role of Elders and Wisdom

    37:58 Relational Intelligence vs. Western Education

    39:14 Cultural Trauma and Language Suppression

    45:41 Earth Consciousness and Modern Anxiety

    50:04 The Illusion of Control and AI

    58:38 Ceremony and Earth Cycles

    01:03:32 Final Thoughts and Gratitude

    Connect with more with Tiokasin and dozens of other speakers and elders in the SAND film Series The Eternal Song

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  36. Listening in Reverie: Ellen Emmet

    5 februari 2026 · 41 min

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    In this conversation, Ellen Emmet reflects on her path into Jungian analysis and how the teachings of Carl Jung continue to shape her inner life, clinical work, and spiritual inquiry. Together, we explore what it means to hold depth psychology and nondual realization in the same field—without collapsing one into the other. Lees meer

    The dialogue moves through questions of decolonizing therapy, the subtle dynamics of spiritual bypass, and the kind of deep listening required when working with the unconscious—both personal and collective. Ellen speaks to the body as a threshold into the psyche’s wilderness, and to the necessity of staying in relationship with what is unresolved, uncomfortable, and unfinished.

    Threaded throughout is a concern for the wider world: how collective trauma, ancestral memory, and the current socio-political moment ask to be included in spiritual and therapeutic work—not bypassed. This is a conversation about remembrance, embodiment, and the slow work of integration in times of upheaval.

    Ellen offers meetings and retreats through The Awakening Body, an experiential exploration rooted in nondual inquiry, Authentic Movement, and direct listening to lived experience. She also maintains a private psychotherapy practice and facilitates Authentic Movement groups.

    EllenEmmet.com

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview

    01:05 Reflecting on Past Conversations

    01:41 Journey into Jungian Analysis

    02:50 Exploring Carl Jung's Theories

    05:31 The Process of Individuation

    13:17 Decolonizing Therapy

    16:40 Spiritual Bypassing and Social Issues

    20:48 Facing the Darkness: Confronting Fear and Avoidance

    22:17 The Deadly Silence: Censorship in Spiritual Spaces

    23:19 Heartbreak as a Spiritual Connection

    26:09 The Power of Collective Healing

    28:03 Listening with Reverence and Reverie

    36:09 The Wildness of the Body: Embracing Natural Movement

    39:39 Concluding Thoughts and Future Connections

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  37. Soul Work for Times of Uncertainty: Francis Weller

    29 januari 2026 · 1 uur 5 min

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    From a SAND Community Gathering (December 2025), Francis Weller joins SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo for a wide-ranging conversation on grief, initiation, and the sacred thresholds of a changing world. Lees meer

    They speak of rough passages and necessary descents—of what must burn away, and what endures. With Francis’s steady guidance, sorrow, longing, beauty, and vulnerability are reclaimed not as weaknesses, but as profound sources of strength, orientation, and soul knowledge.

    Rooted in the soulcraft teachings of his book In the Absence of the Ordinary, the dialogue unfolds in a spirit of reverence and remembrance. Together, they explore the unraveling of the familiar as an invitation into deeper belonging—grief as a living portal, and beauty as a practice of staying close to what is sacred, even in times of descent.

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction and Acknowledgements

    01:09 Guest Introduction: Francis Weller

    02:02 Opening Reflections on Soul and Rhythm

    03:17 The Modern Frenzy vs. Soul's Rhythm

    05:32 Therapy and the Soul's Healing Process

    12:09 The Role of Wounds in Soul Work

    16:35 Confession and Community Healing

    23:17 Collective Psyche and Modern Challenges

    28:39 Historical Roots of Disconnection

    31:25 Grief and Ancestral Memory

    33:47 Understanding Grief in a Shallow Culture

    35:06 The Three Layers of Experience

    35:18 The Role of Ritual in Processing Grief

    36:00 Fear and Control in Grief Expression

    36:22 The Importance of Containment Fields

    36:48 Cultural Rituals and Their Significance

    40:21 Creating Personal Rituals

    50:32 The Long Dark: Embracing Uncertainty

    56:13 The Sacred in Everyday Life

    59:13 The Role of Elders in a Fragmented World

    01:03:12 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

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  38. Indigenous Ways of Knowing: Dr. Leroy Little Bear

    22 januari 2026 · 56 min

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    Blackfoot scholar Dr. Leroy Little Bear shares foundational Indigenous ways of knowing—revealing a worldview built on energy, motion, and relationship rather than matter, time, and separation.In this conversation, Little Bear illuminates how Blackfoot philosophy understands reality through "interpretive templates"—cultural lenses shaped by language, land, and cosmology. Where Western thought centers singularity and fixed answers, Blackfoot ways embrace flux, transformation, and "all my relations." Lees meer

    Dr. Leroy Little Bear is a Blackfoot legal scholar, professor emeritus, and prominent Indigenous rights advocate from the Blood Tribe. He is a founding member of the Native American Studies Department at the University of Lethbridge, served as the director of the Harvard University Native American Program, and played a crucial role in shaping Canadian constitutional law to recognize Indigenous rights, including contributing to Section 35 of the Constitution Act. His work extends to international advocacy, advising the United Nations on the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, and he has received numerous honors, such as the Order of Canada and the Alberta Order of Excellence.

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction and Welcome

    00:45 Guest Introduction: Dr. Leroy Little Bear

    01:42 Blackfoot Tradition and Identity

    02:59 Western vs. Blackfoot Worldview

    10:15 Energy Forces and Relationships

    27:39 Impact of Colonization

    34:26 Language and Interpretive Templates

    54:38 Closing Remarks and Gratitude

    Explore more in Indigenous Worldviews in the SAND film Series The Eternal Song

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  39. Healing with Songlines: Joe Williams & Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon

    15 januari 2026 · 1 uur 1 min

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    This episode was recorded live at The Eternal Song Film Gathering in 2025. Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo welcome Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon and Joe Williams, featured in the upcoming SAND Film In the Circle of Life premiering January 20, 2026. In this conversation they discuss the profound importance of connection to the land, cultural heritage, and traditional practices in achieving wellness. The conversation reveals how Indigenous wisdom can address modern societal woes and highlights the importance of respecting and maintaining a deep relationship with the natural world. Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

    00:47 Meet Uncle Paul Gordon

    01:59 Language and Cultural Connections

    03:01 Introducing Joe Williams

    16:26 Joe Williams' Journey and Spiritual Awakening

    22:07 Aboriginal Perspectives on Wellbeing and Grief

    26:23 Understanding Time and Connection to Country

    29:40 Ancient Knowledge and Star Stories

    30:50 Connection to Country and Ancestral Wisdom

    44:25 The Role of Ceremony and Responsibility

    52:22 Healing Through Connection to Nature

    57:55 Final Thoughts and Resources

    Resources

    In the Circle of Life

    The Living Country Community

    Recorded live at The Eternal Song Seven Day Film Premiere summit with Indigenous voices

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  40. Dispatches Through the Rubble: Haidar Eid & Ashira Darwish

    8 januari 2026 · 1 uur 1 min

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    From a recent SAND Community Gathering (December 2025). This urgent conversation, facilitated by Ashira Darwish and rooted in Haidar Eid’s new book Banging on the Walls of the Tank, moves through the fractured present of Gaza, bringing forth a chorus of resistance, mourning, refusal, and clarity. Lees meer

    This is a dispatch from within the rubble, the classroom, the lull between airstrikes. Together. Eid and Darwish hold the line inside the unbearable: the grief of ongoing genocide and the insistence on liberation; the impossibility of hope and the necessity of imagining otherwise.

    Their conversation refuses erasure, insists on dignity, and carries the clarity of those living under siege with purpose and memory intact.

    This conversation carries the vibration of Gaza’s resistance outward, inviting listeners not just to witness, but to respond.

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks

    00:58 Context of the Gaza Genocide

    02:23 Introducing Haidar Eid and Ashira Darwish

    02:32 Haidar Eid's Background and Experience

    03:19 Ashira Darwish's Introduction and Role

    05:42 Haidar Eid's Personal Account of the Genocide

    07:17 The Impact of the Genocide on Haidar's Life

    09:51 Tribute to Fallen Colleagues and Students

    11:55 The Importance of Palestinian Narratives

    14:57 Historical Context and Ongoing Genocide

    27:34 The Human Cost and Personal Stories

    29:00 Protecting Stories and Dignity

    29:40 Understanding Israeli Society and Zionism

    32:33 The Role of International Support

    34:08 The BDS Movement and Palestinian Civil Society

    35:47 The Call for Global Solidarity

    43:18 Banging on the Walls of the Tank

    53:12 A Shift in the Global Narrative

    58:17 Final Thoughts and Call to Action

    Resources

    Project Hope Palestine

    Catharsis Holistic Healing Palestine

    BDS Movement

    Ashira Darwish’s Website

    Where Olive Trees Weep

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  41. Threshold Voices: Sounds of SAND 2025

    30 december 2025 · 2 uur 11 min

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    This final episode of 2025 reflects on a year of transitions and healing, focusing on themes of intergenerational trauma, collective grief, and social justice, especially in the context of the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Through diverse voices including Dr. Gabor Maté, Naomi Klein, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Ashira Darwish, Omid Safi, Kazu Haga, and others, the episode delves into personal and collective fields of healing. It emphasizes the importance of remembering, ritualizing healing, community action, indigenous knowledge, and a para-politics of grief and relationship. The episode also highlights the significance of interconnectedness, resilience, and the continuous effort towards justice and transformation. Lees meer

    Topics and Speakers

    00:00 Introduction and Year in Review

    02:03 Minds Under Siege: Dr. Gabor Mate and Naomi Klein

    17:38 We Will Not Look Away: Vigil for Gaza with Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, Ashira Darwish and Omid Safi

    37:33 Fierce Vulnerability: Kazu Haga

    46:16 Belonging Without Othering: john a. powell

    50:51 The Limits of Solution-Driven Thinking: Bayo Akomolafe

    55:47 Complexity and Phase Transitions: Jeremy Lent

    01:02:03 Intergenerational Trauma and Healing: Jungwon Kim and Linda Thai

    01:18:40 Generational Trauma and Community Healing: Dr. Thema Bryant

    01:23:16 Decolonizing Therapy and Ancestral Healing: Dr. Jennifer Mullan

    01:26:30 Indigenous Perspectives on Colonization and Wellbeing: Dr. Diana Kopua, Tina Ngata and Mark Kopua

    01:40:30 Plant Medicine and Connection to Nature: Donna Kerridge

    01:53:07 Grief, Ritual, and Communal Healing: Orland Bishop and Francis Weller

    02:02:39 Presence and Receptive Awareness: John J. Prendergast

    02:09:26 Conclusion and Membership Invitation

    Links

    Naomi Klein

    Dr. Gabor Maté

    Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb

    Omid Safi

    Kazu Haga

    john a. Powell

    Bayo Akomolafe

    Jeremy Lent

    Jungwon Kim

    Linda Thai

    Dr. Thema Bryant

    Dr. Jennifer Mullan

    Te Kurahuna (Mark and Dr. Diana Kopua)

    Tina Ngata

    Francis Weller

    Orland Bishop

    John Pre…

  42. Engaged Contemplation: Father Adam Bucko

    11 december 2025 · 50 min

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    In this episode of The Sounds of SAND podcast, host Michael Reiley speaks with Father Adam Bucko about his journey and the integration of Christian contemplative spirituality with social justice activism. Father Adam shares his formative experiences growing up in Poland during the resistance against totalitarian government, his work with marginalized youth in the United States and India, and his philosophy of engaged contemplation. He discusses the importance of heartbreak as a spiritual guide, the responsibility of acknowledging historical injustices perpetrated by the Christian church, and the practice of staying grounded through monastic rhythms of life. The episode highlights the need for a balanced approach to spirituality that embraces both love and grief, and explores reconciliation with the world's suffering through active, mindful presence. Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview

    01:37 Father Adam Bucko's Early Life and Inspirations

    04:50 Journey to the United States and Spiritual Exploration

    08:13 Contemplative Practices and Activism

    20:58 Challenges and Reflections on Modern Christianity

    29:48 Navigating Institutional Harm and New Monasticism

    32:16 Engaged Spirituality and Personal Practices

    46:36 Final Thoughts and Ways to Connect

    Resources:

    FatherAdamBucko.com

    The Center for Spiritual Imagination

    "Let Heartbreak Be Your Guide"

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  43. Therapy Is Not Neutral: Dr. Jennifer Mullan & Iya Affo

    4 december 2025 · 1 uur 1 min

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    A Decolonial Invitation to Remember, Relearn, and Resist Lees meer

    From a live SAND Community Gathering (November 2025) a live conversation with Dr. Jennifer Mullan & Iya Affo.

    Their discussion emphasizes the importance of ancestral wisdom, collective healing, and the decolonization of therapeutic practices. Dr. Mullan shares her personal journey of reconciling traditional healing methods with modern therapy and explores the impact of historical and intergenerational trauma. The conversation also highlights the significance of land, lineage, and community in the healing process, and addresses the ways in which therapy can be transformed to be more inclusive and effective for diverse populations.

    Dr. Mullan shares from her journey of calling therapists into a politicized practice—one rooted in responsibility, reverence, and collective liberation. The conversation challenges clinicians to confront their training, interrogate their privilege, and participate in the sacred labor of relearning.

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome and Introductions

    00:30 Honoring Ancestral Wisdom

    01:54 Introducing Iya Affo

    04:23 Meet Dr. Jennifer Mullan

    05:22 The Non-Neutrality of Therapy

    10:39 Decolonizing Therapy: A Deep Dive

    14:33 Therapy and Boundaries

    27:42 The Historical Impact on Therapy

    31:24 Shining a Light on Hidden History

    31:55 Finding Safe Spaces for Vulnerability

    32:21 Therapeutic Contexts and Trauma

    33:45 Bridging and Reciprocity in Healing

    37:04 Colonial Soul Wound and Historical Trauma

    39:39 Reclaiming Ancestral Pathways

    42:25 Decolonizing Therapy for All

    45:43 Healing Across Layered Dimensions

    54:50 Embracing Sacred Rage and Grief

    58:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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  44. Trauma Healing: Gabor Maté, Judy Atkinson, Patricia June Vickers, Diana Kopua, Del Laverdure

    27 november 2025 · 1 uur 25 min

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    This episode, recorded live at The Eternal Song live gathering (June 2025), brings together a distinguished panel featuring Patricia June Vickers, Judy Atkinson, Dr. Diana Kopua, and Donald “Del” Lavedure, moderated by Dr. Gabor Maté. The discussion explores the integration of ancestral wisdom and modern therapeutic methods to address and heal trauma within Indigenous communities. The group share their personal and professional experiences, emphasizing the connection between land, ancestry, and healing. The conversation highlights the importance of storytelling, cultural practices, and the role of spirituality in fostering collective and individual healing, while addressing how individuals outside Indigenous cultures can support this crucial work. Lees meer

    Topics:

    00:00 Introduction of the Guests

    02:14 Acknowledging Indigenous Lands and Realities

    03:24 Exploring the Concept of Health and Ancestry

    05:06 Understanding Ancestral Healing

    08:08 Judy Atkinson on Ancestry and Healing

    19:15 Patricia Vickers on Ancestry and Protection

    21:23 Diana on Indigenous Knowledge and Connection

    26:51 Defining Trauma and Its Impacts

    32:23 Del Lavedure on Community-Based Healing

    38:09 Judy Atkinson on the Power of Story in Healing

    42:47 A Heartfelt Introduction

    43:21 Exploring Trauma and Healing Modalities

    44:32 Indigenous Perspectives on Trauma

    48:17 Personal Stories of Healing

    49:17 Concepts of Healing and Wholeness

    53:23 Addressing Historical and Ongoing Trauma

    57:23 The Role of Collective Memory in Healing

    01:10:54 Connecting to Ancestral Practices

    01:18:53 Final Reflections and Personal Insights

    Resources:

    Dr Gabor Maté

    The Wisdom of Trauma (a SAND film)

    Professor Judy Atkinson (We Al-li)

    Patricia June Vickers, PhD

    Diana Kopua (Mahi a Atua)

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    Recorded live at The Eternal Song Seven Day Film Premiere summit with Indigenous voices.

  45. Radical Symbiosis: Cara Judea Alhadeff

    20 november 2025 · 1 uur 2 min

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    Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff discusses her work and the profound ideas in her book Zazu Dreams: Between the Scarab and the Dung Beetle, A Cautionary Fable for the Anthropocene Era. She explores themes of dream consciousness, cultural and ecological extinction, radical symbiosis, and the concept of apocalyptic parenting as a strategy for social justice and ecological ethics, an antidote to petroleum parenting. The discussion digs into the interdisciplinary ties found in her stories, her collaborative projects, and the communal effort in creating sustainable futures. Dr. Alhadeff also shares her real-life experiences of living for almost a decade in a reclaimed school bus, 'The Love Bus', exemplifying the principles of radical mothering, reuse, collective creativity, and joy amidst systemic challenges. Lees meer

    Dr. Cara Judea Alhadeff is a professor and author of dozens of books and articles on art, philosophy, sexuality, climate justice, life-passion activism, and "petroleum parenting," including the critically-acclaimed Zazu Dreams: Between the Scarab and the Dung Beetle, A Cautionary Fable for the Anthropocene Era, and Viscous Expectations: Justice, Vulnerability, The Ob-scene. Alhadeff’s forthcoming book, Unlearning What We Think We Know (Vernon Press), will be performed during the World Affairs Conference. Her photographs/ performance videos are in private and public collection,s including San Francisco MoMA, MoMA Salzburg, Austria, the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction, and include collaborations with international choreographers, composers, poets, sculptors, architects, and scientists. She has been interviewed by The New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle, Pacifica Radio, NPR, and the New Art Examiner. Alongside Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Vandana Shiva, Alhadeff received the Random Kindness Community Resilience Leadership Award, 2020. In 2022, Alhadeff was nominated for a MacArthur Fellowship. Her theoretical and visual work is the subject of…

  46. Trauma in a Time of Collapse: Kazu Haga

    13 november 2025 · 51 min

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    What does it mean to stay tender in times of unraveling? Lees meer

    In this live SAND Community Gathering (November 2025), SAND co-founders, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo spend the hour with activist and author Kazu Haga. This conversation invites us into a collective inquiry about healing, justice, and the radical courage of vulnerability. Drawing from his work on restorative justice and Kingian nonviolence, Haga explores how compassion can live alongside grief, anger, and collapse—not as escape or appeasement, but as a disciplined, relational practice of staying with the pain of the world.

    Topics:

    00:00 Introduction and Welcoming Remarks

    00:44 Introducing Kazu and His Work

    04:08 Understanding Fierce Vulnerability

    06:43 The Great Turning and Collective Healing

    10:50 Non-Violence and Social Movements

    17:13 Spiritual Practice and Activism

    24:22 Anger, Rage, and Non-Violence

    26:40 Personal Stories and Reflections

    28:57 Sowing Seeds of Change

    29:56 The Power of Vulnerability

    31:33 Healing Through Non-Violence

    38:55 The Concept of Negative Peace

    47:48 Living in Community

    49:45 Final Thoughts and Gratitude

    Resources:

    Kazu Haga's Website

    Fierce Vulnerability

    Canticle Farm

    The Eternal Song (film series by SAND)

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  47. Tending the Threshold: Bayo Akomolafe

    6 november 2025 · 46 min

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    Recorded live at The Eternal Song Seven Day Film Premiere Gathering. Lees meer

    In this episode, hosts Maurizio and Zaya engage in deep conversation with Yoruba philosopher and post-humanist thinker Bayo Akomolafe. In this episode, Bayo shares a Yoruba creation myth involving the Orishas, highlighting the importance of flow and memory. He reflects on his journey as a psychologist in Nigeria and critiques the political dimensions of healing. The dialogue also touches on the limits of modernity, the significance of wounds in creating new worlds, and the interconnectedness of all living beings. Bayo’s insights invite listeners to reconsider traditional notions of clarity, identity, and safety, promoting a deeper, more fluid understanding of existence as it weaves into narratives of The Eternal Song.

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    Topics

    00:00 Introduction and Greetings

    00:46 Introducing Bayo Akomolafe

    02:13 A Yoruba Creation Story

    06:50 Reflections on Healing

    12:49 Decolonization and Human Ecology

    20:32 The Complexity of Solutions

    22:25 Chaos and Order: The Eternal Dance

    22:41 The Illusion of Solutions

    22:50 Climate Chaos and Moralities

    23:34 The Exhaustion of Traditional Moralities

    24:10 Para Politics: A New Approach

    26:30 The Role of the Trickster in History

    28:45 The Power of Wounds and Cracks

    31:31 The Fluidity of Identity

    36:52 The Origins and Evolution of Language

    40:15 Christianity and Indigenous Faiths

    44:15 Final Reflections and Gratitude

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  48. The Medicine Story: Jungwon Kim & Linda Thai

    30 oktober 2025 · 1 uur 6 min

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    Hosted by SAND’s Lisa Breschi Almond, this poignant discussion entitled 'War's Long Shadow Part Two: The Medicine of Story' was recorded live as a recent SAND Gathering. The show features two heartfelt stories of their first-hand accounts of post-war trauma shared by Linda Thai and Jungwon Kim. The conversation explores personal narratives of war trauma and generational grief, focusing on the Vietnam War and Korean War, respectively. Linda recounts her family’s harrowing escape from Vietnam and their struggle to resettle in Australia, while Jungwon explores her parents’ experiences and the enduring impact of the Korean War. Emphasizing the importance of storytelling, the session highlights the collective healing and emotional sobriety brought through sharing and listening to these deeply moving stories Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 Welcome and Introduction

    00:55 Land and Settler Acknowledgement

    02:13 Introducing the Presenters

    04:16 Linda's Story: A Journey of Survival

    39:31 Jungwon's Story: Generational War Trauma

    01:02:30 Reflections and Closing Remarks

    Resources

    War’s Long Shadow, Part 1 (the first part of this conversation from early 2025)

    Jung Won Kim’s Website

    Linda Thai’s Website

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  49. Decolonial Healing & Liberation: Dr. Thema Bryant

    23 oktober 2025 · 1 uur 16 min

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    In this episode, SAND co-founders and hosts Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo welcome Dr. Thema Bryant, a tenured professor of psychology and former President of the American Psychological Association, to discuss holistic healing, ancestral wisdom, and collective liberation. Dr. Bryant emphasizes the importance of recognizing both individual and collective trauma, the power of storytelling, and the need for interdisciplinary approaches to wellness. The conversation explores the emotional and spiritual aspects of healing, the role of joy and grief, and the importance of community in fostering resilience and thriving. Dr. Bryant also provides practical advice on deepening relationships, finding like-minded communities, and maintaining emotional balance in the face of ongoing trauma. Lees meer

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction and Greetings

    00:53 Introducing Dr. Thema Bryant

    01:20 Dr. Bryant's Background and Philosophy

    03:11 Grounding Practice and Body Sovereignty

    08:32 The Importance of Compassion and Presence

    11:52 Intergenerational Trauma and Healing

    17:15 Decolonizing and Indigenizing Healing Practices

    27:00 Balancing Activism and Self-Care

    34:15 Grief and Collective Healing

    36:44 Cultural Differences in Grieving

    37:59 The Interplay of Grief and Joy

    38:28 Toxic Positivity and Spiritual Bypassing

    41:07 Constructive vs. Destructive Anger

    44:53 The Importance of Emotional Expression

    47:03 Creating and Deepening Community Connections

    51:00 Collective Healing and Liberation

    01:03:13 Balancing Self-Care and Collective Care

    01:11:14 Final Thoughts and Resources

    Resources

    Dr. Thema Bryant
    Dr. Thema Bryant is the author of the recently released book Matters of the Heart and the host of The Homecoming Podcast.
    Jaiya John

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  50. Rongoā Māori: Donna Kerridge

    16 oktober 2025 · 58 min

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    Recorded live at The Eternal Song Seven Day Film Premiere summit with Indigenous voices. Lees meer

    Donna Kerridge, a Rongoā Māori practitioner from Waikato, Aotearoa New Zealand, shares insights into her journey bridging Māori traditional medicine and the Western healthcare system. Kerridge discusses the challenges and beauty of indigenous healing practices, emphasizing the significance of connection to nature, ancestral knowledge, and the balance between the physical and spiritual realms. She reflects on her experience watching the film Eternal Song and the necessity of truth in storytelling. Through her work and this conversation, Kerridge elucidates the importance of understanding one's place in nature and the universe to achieve true wellbeing. Hosted by Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo.

    Topics

    00:00 Introduction to Donna Kerridge

    00:58 Reflecting on the Film's Impact

    03:45 Understanding Rongoā Māori

    06:10 The Concept of Wellbeing in Rongoā Māori

    10:55 Healing Practices and Patterns of Disease

    20:19 The Importance of Ancestry and Connection

    22:37 Ancient Knowledge and Modern Science

    29:47 Challenges of Being a Healer in Modern Times

    32:18 Exploring the Pillars of Ru Māori

    33:42 Connecting with the Spiritual Realm

    36:30 Healing Through Nature

    43:28 Respect and Indigenous Knowledge

    45:41 Bridging Western and Indigenous Medicine

    52:28 The Role of Ancestral Knowledge

    56:25 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

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