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  1. Bill Gates says to prepare for 20 years of ‘tumultuous’ AI disruption

    22 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 17 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Bill Gates, co-founder and former CEO of Microsoft and chairman of the Gates Foundation. You may have noticed Bill in the news more lately — he’s been on something of a tour for the past few months talking about AI risk, and how crucial it is that we start taking this seriously. Lees meer

    So I was excited to sit down with him and really dig into this subject. I came with many questions, about AI policy, the technical aspects of alignment, and what it means for future generations that we’re building something this disruptive and potentially dangerous.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    The turbulent AI era is here. The choices we make now are critical. | Bill Gates

    "OG" Bill Gates returns to wage war on AI risks | Axios

    Bill Gates’s blunt warning on AI | The Ezra Klein Show

    Ben Horowitz criticizes Bill Gates, Anthropic over AI safety | All-In Pod

    Does Anthropic think Claude is alive? Define ‘alive’ | The Verge

    Microsoft AI CEO says Anthropic is making AI risks worse | Decoder

    Bill Gates has a good feeling about AI | The Verge (2024)

    The risks of AI are real but manageable | Bill Gates (2023)

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder’s producers are Greg Ott, Kate Cox, and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  2. JB Pritzker thinks AI could help us live to 100 — or threaten us like nukes

    19 oktober 2026 · 59 min

    Afspelen
    Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker, has a lot of thoughts about AI, tech, and privacy. Those issues are driving a big and maybe kind of unexpected political realignment — and with the midterms coming up next month, and early voting already underway in a lot of places, the stakes are pretty high right now. And as he notes, some problems are just collective action problems that require a government. We can’t solve everything one at a time, or even one state at a time. Lees meer

    And of course, I had to ask him: Are the Bears gonna stay in Illinois?

    Links:

    How ordinary Utahns fought the biggest data center in the world | The Verge

    New York Gov. Kathy Hochul thinks AI should be ‘less evil’ | Decoder

    YouTube CEO: ‘We’re focused on internal safety efforts’ | CNN

    Pritzker signs landmark AI regulation bill | Capitol News Illinois

    Pritzker establishes AI Cabinet amid calls for regulation | NPR Ilinois

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  3. Why Elon Musk wants to sell you cell service

    17 oktober 2026 · 54 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Walter Piecyk, a telecom analyst at LightShed Partners, and we’re discussing SpaceX’s plan to become a major wireless carrier. Last week, the company agreed to buy a big chunk of low-band spectrum in its bid to build “the world’s most advanced mobile network.” Lees meer

    So I wanted to dig into whether SpaceX can pull this off, why Walt thinks the existing telecoms have fumbled their response to Starlink’s growing threat, and what happens when Elon Musk’s rocket company jumps headfirst into a business everyone loves to hate.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    SpaceX announces plan to become a ‘major mobile carrier’ | The Verge

    SpaceX has a plan. Do the telcos? | LightShed Partners

    EchoStar offloads satellite spectrum to SpaceX for $17 billion | The Verge

    FCC Grants SpaceX Approval for 15,000 Direct-to-Device Satellites | Via Satellite

    AT&T CEO says Elon Musk's SpaceX phone strategy not "viable" | Axios

    SpaceX Sends Telecom Providers a Shot Across the Bow | WSJ

    Verizon: No to an MVNO with Starlink | Fierce Network

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    Decoder’s producers are Greg Ott, Kate Cox, and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Eileen Felix. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  4. Benn Jordan thinks the surveillance problem is much bigger than Flock

    15 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 2 min

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    Today, I’m talking with Benn Jordan, musician, YouTuber, researcher, and investigative journalist. In the last couple of years, Benn has become a high-profile face in the creator and media spaces for his work investigating Flock Safety, the maker of automatic license plate readers and the software that powers them. Lees meer

    Benn recently testified in front of Congress at a hearing dedicated to Flock and other ALPR systems. So of course I wanted to dig into all of that with Benn, not just because of his role as a Flock critic, but because he’s also become in some ways the face of a new front in the broader debate about surveillance and privacy.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Benn Jordan testifies in front of Senate | Benn Jordan (YouTube)

    Flock values their privacy. Oh well | Benn Jordan (YouTube)

    We Hacked Flock Safety Cameras in under 30 Seconds | Benn Jordan (YouTube)

    Lawmakers introduce multiple laws to curb Flock | 404 Media

    The fight over Flock and other ALPRs | The Verge

    Sanders, AOC, Merkley propose bill to ban Flock cameras | Politico

    Cities terminate Flock contracts at record pace in August | Ars Technica

    Flock to cut several hundred jobs amid backlash | Reuters

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  5. Rewind: Ronan Farrow on Sam Altman’s ‘unconstrained’ relationship with the truth

    12 oktober 2026 · 1 uur

    Afspelen
    Hey everybody, it’s Nilay. We’re off today for the holiday, and we’ll be back this Thursday with new episodes. In the meantime, we wanted to revisit a conversation from earlier this year I had with investigative journalist and New Yorker contributor Ronan Farrow, all about the in-depth feature on OpenAI CEO Sam Altman he co-authored with Andrew Marantz. Lees meer

    The conversation holds up remarkably well, and I think it tells us a lot about the current moment, as calls for meaningful federal AI oversight have ground to a halt yet again. Enjoy.

    Links:

    Sam Altman May Control Our Future—Can He Be Trusted? | The New Yorker

    Ronan Farrow on Sam Altman’s ‘unconstrained’ relationship with the truth | Decoder

    Does AI need an antitrust exemption so it doesn’t kill everyone? | Decoder

    Inside the suddenly explosive world of AI safety | The Verge

    Here’s what AI leaders are saying about Trump’s new safety plan | The Verge

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  6. Another billionaire thinks he can fix Warner Bros.

    10 oktober 2026 · 46 min

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    Acquiring Warner Bros. never goes well for anyone. AOL failed, AT&T failed, and Discovery failed — although it did succeed in flipping the assets to David Ellison’s Skydance. Lees meer

    So I’m talking to Peter Kafka, Business Insider chief correspondent and host of Channels, to see if Skydance has a chance at succeeding where nobody else has yet. Spoiler alert: Peter doesn’t think Skydance has a clear business plan, either. But he’s got some really good guesses about what might come next.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    CNN boss remains as Paramount, WBD merge into Skydance | The Verge

    Skydance CEOs: Layoffs will be coming | Variety

    Ynon Kriez, the new Skydance co-CEO | Business Insider

    Skydance sets leadership across games, experiences | Variety

    Paramount settles lawsuit blocking $110B WBD merger | The Verge

    Larry Ellison’s big dumb gift to his large adult son | The Verge

    Weiss’ ratings wipeout | Status

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  7. OpenAI has a Muse problem

    8 oktober 2026 · 45 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Hayden Field, The Verge’s senior AI reporter, and we're discussing the new wave of consumer friendly AI agents. AI enthusiasts have been using agents for a minute now, but the launch of Meta’s Muse, OpenAI’s Dots, and XAI’s Grok Bot has brought easy to use agents to millions. Lees meer

    Muse, notably, is free, while Dots is not, and you’ll hear Hayden and me get into why Meta, which still doesn't have a frontier model of its own, might have a meaningful edge here because it's much better at making and distributing consumer products. And wrapped up in this heated agent race are a lot of really big ideas — about AI capability, privacy, and trust.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    OpenAI’s new agent is a shot at Meta — but can it compete with free? | The Verge

    The AI Tamagotchis are coming | The Verge

    Muse escapes containment | 404 Media

    Meta’s Muse AI sent a YouTuber’s address to a stranger | The Verge

    It’s sinister that Meta’s Muse AI mascot is so cute | The Verge

    Muse sure looks a lot like OpenClaw | The Verge

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    Decoder’s producers are Greg Ott, Kate Cox, and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  8. Adam Schiff on AI regulation, free speech, and impeaching Trump one more time

    5 oktober 2026 · 58 min

    Afspelen
    California Sen. Adam Schiff sits on a bunch of the committees that do tech and AI oversight, so I really wanted to ask him about how we might regulate anything related to the tech industry at this moment in time. Lees meer

    He started our conversation by talking about the self-dealing and corruption present all through our politics now — right against the backdrop of President Trump gathering AI CEOs to the White House to pinky-swear they'll try to keep AI safe.

    Read the ⁠full interview transcript on The Verge.⁠

    Links:

    How tech will self-police AI safety under Trump deal | The Verge

    Supreme Court ruling kneecaps federal regulators | The Verge

    Does AI need an antitrust exemption so it doesn’t kill everyone? | Decoder

    Flock, Axon dodge Senate hearing | CNBC

    Trump admin illegally blacklisted Anthropic, court rules | The Verge

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  9. The AI warnings are getting louder

    3 oktober 2026 · 36 min

    Afspelen
    Hey everybody, it’s Nilay. We’ve got a little bonus drop for you today — I was recently interviewed about AI safety by Shumita Basu for Apple News In Conversation, and I enjoyed the conversation so much I asked if we could share it with you all. Lees meer

    We’ve actually got a few bonus drops coming up this month; we’ve been having a lot of great conversations lately, and we want to get them out to you on the news cycle. And of course, nothing is moving as fast as the AI safety news cycle. So enjoy this one, and we’ll see you next time.

    Links:

    Apple News In Conversation | Apple Podcasts

    Inside the suddenly explosive world of AI safety | The Verge

    Here’s what AI leaders are saying about Trump’s new safety plan | The Verge

    One company is at the center of a wave of rogue AI attacks | The Verge

    Microsoft AI CEO says AI threats are real, and Anthropic is making it worse | Decoder

    Does AI need an antitrust exemption so it doesn’t kill everyone? | Decoder

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    Decoder is produced by Greg Ott, Kate Cox, and Nick Statt. The show is edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  10. How Utah locals fought Kevin O'Leary's AI data center

    1 oktober 2026 · 45 min

    Afspelen
    Today I’m talking with Josh Dzieza, a longtime features writer here at The Verge, about a massive data center in Utah that does not exist, might never exist, and yet has already completely reshaped the politics of the entire state. Lees meer

    Josh just published a major feature this week on the struggling Stratos data center project in Utah backed by Shark Tank star Kevin O’Leary. So I invited Josh on the show to discuss what’s happening inside the AI industry’s infrastructure boom, inside the bipartisan backlash to data centers, and how the tech industry is running into the one obstacle it can’t seem to spend its way out of: local democracy.

    Read the ⁠full interview transcript on The Verge⁠.

    Links:

    The People of Utah vs. Kevin O'Leary | The Verge

    Adams — burdened by data center fallout — ousted by voters | Salt Lake Tribune

    ‘Shark Tank’ star sued by opponents he claimed were foreign agents| NYT

    Fox News apologizes for airing O’Leary claims about data centers | The Hill

    Kevin O’Leary agrees to downsize massive Utah data center | The Verge

    The biggest data center ever is becoming a huge problem in Utah | The Verge

    America's data center future is Loudoun County's past | The Verge

    The left and right agree on one thing: no data centers | Decoder

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  11. The SaaSpocalypse that wasn't, with Atlassian's CEO

    28 september 2026 · 1 uur 16 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Mike Cannon-Brookes, who is co-founder and CEO of Atlassian. Atlassian is one of those companies that every other company runs on — it makes important platform tools like Jira and Trello. This means Atlassian is also right in the middle of the way AI is changing how all these companies work. Lees meer

    Or, if you buy the idea of the so-called SaaSpocalypse, AI might just build all of these tools for you, destroying this entire category of businesses. Obviously, Mike had a lot of thoughts pushing back on this narrative, so we spent time really digging in and talking through what AI is doing to enterprise software.

    Links:

    How Australia became the test bed for tech regulation | Decoder (2021)

    Building a $45B company far from Silicon Valley’s ‘froth and bubbles’ | Semafor

    Atlassian CEO Mike Cannon-Brookes on Atlassian and AI | Stratechery

    How Atlassian shook off the 'SaaSpocalypse' for a big rally | IBD

    Atlassian acquires The Browser Company, maker of the Arc browser | The Verge

    Atlassian Co-CEO resigns, leaving Cannon-Brookes as sole chief | Bloomberg

    Atlassian cuts 1,600 jobs amid AI push | Forbes

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  12. Can Cloudflare save the web from AI?

    26 september 2026 · 1 uur 18 min

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    Cloudflare discovered in June that bots already make up more than half of internet traffic — and CEO Matthew Prince says that bots could outnumber humans a thousand to one within five years. Lees meer

    That's a huge change to the internet, and if the web is going to keep existing, it needs a huge change to its business model. Can Cloudflare use its place in the ecosystem to direct the money back to the people who make content?

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    How I choose which Cloudflare employees to replace with AI | Wall Street Journal

    Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender | Decoder (2024)

    Cloudflare will now block AI crawlers by default | The Verge

    Patreon partners with Cloudflare to block AI crawlers | 404 Media

    Sony and Warner sue Anthropic in latest AI music lawsuit | Billboard

    Trump administration supports OpenAI in NYT copyright lawsuit | The Verge

    Google Zero is here — now what? | The Verge (2024)

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  13. I have some questions for Mark Zuckerberg

    24 september 2026 · 23 min

    Afspelen
    It’s a big week for Meta. The company has its big Connect conference, and the new Muse AI agent appears to be an early hit. CEO Mark Zuckerberg has been doing a lot of interviews about it all — so of course we asked for him to be on Decoder. Meta declined, for whatever reason. Lees meer

    But luckily Mark just did a big interview with our friend and former colleague Alex Heath on the Sources podcast. So I figured we could highlight some moments from that conversation to point out some obvious gaps in what Mark is saying about Meta and hopefully inspire the next set of people who talk to him with some follow-up questions.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Mark Zuckerberg interview | Sources Podcast

    How Meta got everything it wanted in secret data center deal | New York Times

    Can you forget how you feel about Meta? | The Verge

    Zuck doesn’t want to press pause on AI | The Verge

    Meta glasses are a workplace menace | The Verge

    Mark Zuckerberg doesn’t understand how to live | The Verge

    Four takeaways from Mark Zuckerberg’s massive AI manifesto | The Verge

    Meta says US states are seeking $1.4 trillion in penalties | Reuters

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  14. Can John Ternus find Apple's next big thing?

    21 september 2026 · 58 min

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    Today, I’m talking with Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman, who is the world’s best-sourced Apple reporter. Earlier this month, Apple hosted its annual iPhone hardware event, and this event was special, for a number of reasons. Lees meer

    It was new Apple CEO John Ternus’ first major product launch. It was also the debut of the foldable iPhone Duo. So I wanted Mark on the show to explain why this event was so important, and how John Ternus’ Apple will look a lot different from Tim Cook’s.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Apple iPhone Duo launch event: the 5 biggest announcements | The Verge

    The iPhone Duo is Apple’s first foldable | The Verge

    Tim Cook’s CEO-like pay package shows he isn’t going anywhere | Bloomberg

    Apple’s Phil Schiller steps down from running App Store | Bloomberg

    Apple’s new CEO will need to soon overhaul his management team | Bloomberg

    Apple’s Ternus takes the reins as CEO, with AI as job No. 1 | Bloomberg

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  15. Does AI need an antitrust exemption so it doesn't kill everyone????

    19 september 2026 · 46 min

    Afspelen
    The biggest story in tech right now is the spiraling debate about AI safety and regulation. The CEOs of all these companies have issued various calls to slow down development and develop regulation, including asking for antitrust exemptions so they can all coordinate on safety issues. Lees meer

    So to make sense of it all, I called Jonathan Kanter, the former antitrust chief for the U.S. Department of Justice in the Biden Administration. There's a lot going on, and we really got into the weeds of how all this regulation might work, and how it might interact with antitrust law, competition policy, and our relationship with China.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Is Big Tech’s AI slowdown a safety pact or a cartel? | The Verge

    Inside the suddenly explosive world of AI safety | The Verge

    Execs and politicians on slowing down AI development | The Verge

    Microsoft AI CEO: AI threats are real, Anthropic makes it worse | The Verge

    Lina Khan: We don’t need new laws to prosecute AI CEOs | Gizmodo

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  16. Microsoft AI CEO says AI threats are real, and Anthropic is making it worse

    17 september 2026 · 53 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Mustafa Suleyman, the CEO of Microsoft AI. As you’re no doubt aware, the biggest story in tech right now is the spiraling debate about AI safety and regulation. So I really wanted to talk to Mustafa about what he thinks is real and not in AI safety, whether the concept of alignment itself is up to the task, and whether this industry needs to slow down before it kills us all. Lees meer

    Read the ⁠full interview transcript on The Verge⁠.

    Links:

    A warning about ‘model welfare’ | Mustafa Suleyman

    Humanist AI Code of Conduct | Microsoft

    Is Big Tech’s AI slowdown a safety pact or a cartel? | The Verge

    A brief history of AI executives calling for regulation | The Verge

    What execs and politicians are saying about slowing down AI development | The Verge

    Anthropic CEO says it’s time to pump the brakes on AI | The Verge

    Microsoft’s AI chief says superintelligence is near, but won’t take your job | Decoder (2026)

    Mustafa Suleyman says conversational AI is the next web browser | Decoder (2024)

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  17. Adam Conover explains how YouTube ruined everything

    14 september 2026 · 1 uur 5 min

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    Adam Conover is a familiar face to anyone who’s spent time on the internet. He got his start at CollegeHumor back in the day, before transitioning into cable TV with Adam Ruins Everything, then onto Netflix, and all the way back to YouTube again, where he posts videos and hosts a podcast. Lees meer

    That is exactly the kind of career path that fascinates me, and it also happens to touch on basically every major Decoder theme there is.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    YouTube is making it harder to earn money on YouTube | The Verge

    Adam Conover regrets shilling Sam Altman’s World | The Verge

    Elon Musk is an idiot | Adam Conover

    How HBO’s creatives survived corporate chaos | Decoder

    YouTube’s Neal Mohan on the future for creators | Decoder (2021)

    Banning Trump was the right decision, says Instagram’s Mosseri | Decoder (2021)

    Ethics in journalism, with Ben Smith | Decoder

    Hank Green will gladly take billionaires’ money for education | Decoder

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  18. Why the current tech backlash feels different

    10 september 2026 · 55 min

    Afspelen
    We’re back with another Decoder mailbag special. This time, we focused on feedback to Nilay’s “software brain” video essay, our ongoing coverage of AI and Big Tech backlash, surveillance, interviewing politicians ahead of the midterms, and more. Lees meer

    Remember: we really do read every email, so please keep sending us your feedback, and letting us know what you think of our coverage and how we can improve.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    How to win — and lose — Decoder | Decoder Mailbag (2026)

    Nilay answers your burning Decoder questions | Decoder Mailbag (2025)

    Answering your biggest Decoder questions | Decoder Mailbag (2024)

    Sundar Pichai on AI, search, and the future of the web | Decoder (2026)

    The people do not yearn for automation | Decoder

    Bluesky’s new CEO wants a big tent, not a bubble | Decoder

    New York Governor Kathy Hochul thinks AI should be ‘less evil’ | Decoder

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  19. How Sonos rebooted itself

    3 september 2026 · 1 uur 14 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Sonos CEO Tom Conrad. Tom was on the board at Sonos during the disastrous 2024 app redesign that threatened to crash the entire brand, and he took over as interim CEO to right the ship during that period. About a year ago, he took the permanent role. Lees meer

    I have been dying to have Tom on the show to talk about how the board decided to move on from previous CEO Patrick Spence, how he diagnosed the issues inside the company, and what decisions he made to fix them. Plus. Tom was willing to get into the weeds and nerd out with me, and I think this one is pretty fun because of it.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    After two years of turmoil, Sonos attempts a triumphant return | The Verge

    How Sonos’ Tom Conrad Is reshaping the brand after app disaster | Bloomberg

    An in-depth interview with Sonos interim CEO Tom Conrad | The Verge (2025)

    Sonos’ smart assistant is expanding from music to home control | The Verge

    Inside Sonos’ decision to sue Google — and how it won | Decoder (2022)

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    Decoder is produced by Greg Ott, Kate Cox, and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  20. New York Governor Kathy Hochul thinks AI should be ‘less evil’

    31 augustus 2026 · 51 min

    Afspelen
    It’s an election year, with a shocking amount of tech policy at stake, and Gov.Hochul has taken strong positions on almost every major tech issue there is. You'll hear us talk about the settlement Meta reached with dozens of states, including New York, and about widespread age verification. Lees meer

    We also discussed 3D printing ghost guns; surveillance and Flock cameras; the politics of building — or not building — AI data centers; and, of course, Mayor Zohran Mamdani.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    New Yorkers will need to verify their age for algorithmic feeds | The Verge

    The cat-and-mouse game over 3D-printed guns has begun | The Verge

    Hochul says she’s using AI to analyze ‘every single rule’ in New York | The Verge

    NY becomes the first state to enact a data center moratorium | The Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder’s producers are Greg Ott, Kate Cox, and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  21. OpenAI's executive exodus has one big winner

    27 augustus 2026 · 41 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Hayden Field, The Verge’s senior AI reporter, about some pure Decoder bait: the seemingly-endless org chart changes at OpenAI, and how all of them seem to consolidate power under cofounder Greg Brockman, the company’s president. Lees meer

    While Sam Altman is the CEO and still OpenAI’s most public face, Brockman has amassed enormous power and influence within the top ranks of the company as other senior leaders have left in rapid succession. So I wanted Hayden to break down for me what’s going on at OpenAI, and the increasingly important role Greg Brockman will play in its future.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    It’s Greg Brockman’s OpenAI now | The Verge

    OpenAI’s Brockman brushes off concerns about leadership changes | CNBC

    Sam Altman on building OpenAI & betting on the impossible | David Senra

    OpenAI’s Q2 sales show tepid growth compared to Anthropic | WSJ

    Anthropic's revenue run rate reportedly surpasses $65 billion pre-IPO | Axios

    OpenAI President On Reinventing Computers | Johanna Stern / YouTube

    Greg Brockman takes control of OpenAI’s products in latest shake-up | Wired

    OpenAI’s president is a Trump mega-donor | The Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Greg Ott, Kate Cox, and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  22. How GoFundMe became America's backup plan

    24 augustus 2026 · 1 uur 18 min

    Afspelen
    Tim Cadogan is CEO of GoFundMe, the for-profit platform where you can donate to help people with everything from medical expenses to little league uniforms to starting a new business. Lees meer

    Tim took over as CEO in March 2020 — a chaotic moment when GoFundMe became a load-bearing part of American culture. So you can imagine I had a lot of questions for Tim, how he thinks about all this, and how he makes some very tough decisions on what money to make and what money not to make.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    The GoFundMe CEO wants you to ask: ‘How can I help?’ | New York TImes

    GoFundMe CEO: We weren't meant to replace COVID relief | USA Today

    GoFundMe Is a healthcare utility now | The Atlantic

    As Gaza is bombarded, GoFundMe donations are stuck in limbo | The Verge

    For the uninsured, crowdfunding provides little help in paying for healthcare | University of Washington

    Oregon nonprofits claim GoFundMe impersonated them | Central Oregon Daily News

    The causes and consequences of medical crowdfunding | ScienceDirect

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder’s producers are Greg Ott, Kate Cox, and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Eileen Felix. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  23. Welcome to the AI crisis in math

    20 augustus 2026 · 40 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Robert Hart, The Verge’s London-based AI reporter. Robert recently wrote a fantastic story for us about the debate raging inside the world of mathematics — and the existential crisis over what it means that new frontier AI models have become very good at math in a shockingly short period of time. Lees meer

    I wanted to dive into all of this with Robert, who actually spoke to some of the most accomplished mathematicians working today to figure out what’s hype and what’s real — and to get a sense of just how exciting, and how scary, all of this is.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    The AI takeover of mathematics has begun | The Verge

    Ten advances in mathematics and theoretical computer science | OpenAI

    An unreleased Anthropic model made progress on the Riemann hypothesis| TechCrunch

    OpenAI’s amazing — but vastly oversold — new model Astra | Gary Marcus

    OpenAI’s math breakthrough played to AI’s strengths | Understanding AI

    Why the legendary Erdős problems are falling to AI | Quanta

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Ursa Wright. Our supervising producer is Greg Ott, and our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  24. It's about ethics in journalism, with Ben Smith

    17 augustus 2026 · 1 uur 11 min

    Afspelen
    Today I’m talking to Ben Smith, the editor-in-chief of Semafor. Ben ran BuzzFeed News at the height of the Facebook traffic boom, and even wrote a book about it, called Traffic, which he discussed with me on Decoder back in 2023. Lees meer

    Semafor, which is only four years old, is now a fast-growing and profitable media company, which makes about half of its revenue from events. So I wanted to talk to Ben about how that all works, and what it feels like to navigate the ethical conflicts that seem to be everywhere in media right now.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Jonah Peretti explains why he sold BuzzFeed | Decoder

    What’s after the social media era in news? | Decoder (2023)

    Semafor raises $30 Million after first profitable year | The Wrap

    Semafor’s new AI tool helped boil down its flagship conference | Nieman Lab

    Semafor launches Silicon Valley & The World | Semafor

    Semafor takes aim at Davos as events surpass half Its revenue | Adweek

    Semafor Is Betting Big on 'Anti-Scale' Video | Adweek

    Semafor wants to be ‘business outlet of record in the Gulf” | Press Gazette

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder’s producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our Supervising Producer is Greg Ott and our Editorial Director is Kevin McShane.

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  25. Does Google even want to win in AI?

    13 augustus 2026 · 39 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is The Verge’s Hayden Field, and we’re discussing a question that’s been rocketing around the tech industry for the past week: Is Google losing the AI race? Lees meer

    That's because last week, the company announced a bombshell reorganization of its AI division. You can read these moves, and Google’s reaction, in a lot of different ways. So I really wanted to sit down with Hayden to dig into some of the smartest analysis we’ve seen this past week, and what we think is really going on here.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    The messy politics behind Google’s big AI shakeup | The Verge

    Gemini is cooked but GCP is cooking | SemiAnalysis

    Google announced a major shakeup of its top AI leadership | The Verge

    AI lab musical chairs hits Google the hardest | Axios

    Demis Hassabis said this might be the ‘foothills of the singularity.’ What? | The Verge

    Google’s AI architect lived rent-free in Elon Musk’s head | The Verge

    Sundar Pichai on AI, search, and the future of the web | The Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Ursa Wright. Our supervising producer is Greg Ott, and our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  26. Bose CEO Lila Snyder on the fight for high-quality audio

    10 augustus 2026 · 1 uur 7 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Lila Snyder, the CEO of Bose. Lila was last on the show about four years ago, and since then she’s dramatically rearchitected the company — she sold off Bose Professional, acquired the high end audio brands McIntosh Labs and Sonus faber, and, perhaps most importantly, started licensing all that core Bose technology to other companies. Lees meer

    That big change in the business comes with a big change in structure. Becoming a software company in addition to a product company comes with a whole new set of challenges, and Lila and I got into how it’s all working.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    How Bose competes with AirPods, with CEO Lila Snyder | Decoder (2022)

    Bose thinks it can be a media company for some reason | The Verge

    Bose acquires premium audio brand McIntosh | The Verge

    Bose reinvented itself just in time. Now comes the tricky part | Wired

    Bose sells off its premium division after 50 years | Bose

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Kabir Chopra. Our supervising producer is Greg Ott, and our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  27. The left and right agree on one thing: no data centers

    6 augustus 2026 · 38 min

    Afspelen
    Our guest today is Gaby Del Valle, a policy reporter here at The Verge, and we’re discussing the growing backlash against AI data centers. Gaby recently reported a fantastic piece about Hernando County, Florida, where last month the county commission unanimously approved a year-long moratorium on data center construction. Lees meer

    So I wanted Gaby to talk me through what these protests look like on the ground, from voters whose party affiliations have typically aligned them with big business.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Right-wingers protesting data centers have a lot in common with the left | The Verge

    No data centers in my backyard | Jasmine Sun

    Who’s afraid of the big, bad GPU? | The Verge

    NY becomes the first state to enact a data center moratorium | The Verge

    The fight against AI data centers is just beginning | The Verge

    Florida gives millions in tax breaks to data centers under DeSantis-backed law | Tampa Bay Times

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our supervising producer is Greg Ott, and our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  28. Bluesky’s new CEO wants a big tent, not a bubble

    3 augustus 2026 · 1 uur 15 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Toni Schneider, the new head of social platform Bluesky who formally took over after a short stint as interim CEO. This is one of my favorite kinds of interviews, because a couple years ago we had Bluesky’s prior CEO, Jay Graber, on the show — she’s now the company’s chief innovation officer. All of that kind of shuffle is pure Decoder bait: a new CEO often brings with them new priorities, which is perhaps the most Decoder subject of all. Lees meer

    Read the ⁠full interview transcript on The Verge⁠.

    Links:

    Bluesky CEO Jay Graber | Decoder (2024)

    Bluesky CEO Jay Graber steps down | TechCrunch

    Staying in the game | Toni Schneider

    The messy WordPress drama, explained | The Verge

    Proton CTO Bart Butler | Decoder

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    Decoder’s producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Eileen Felix. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  29. The end of the human internet

    30 juli 2026 · 43 min

    Afspelen
    Hey everyone, this is Nick Statt, senior producer on Decoder. We’re taking a brief publishing break while Nilay is out on vacation. We’ll resume regular programming next week, and we’ve got some great episodes in the works. Lees meer

    In the meantime, we wanted to share an episode from the excellent podcast The Gray Area, with host Sean Illing. In this one, Sean sat down with The Atlantic journalist Charlie Warzel to talk specifically about the state of the internet in 2026 — and what it means that it feels increasingly overrun by non-human actors.

    Links:

    The Gray Area with Sean Illing | Apple Podcasts

    Galaxy Brain | The Atlantic

    The internet is all bots now | The Gray Area (YouTube)

    The feeling of control slipping away | The Atlantic

    How much of the internet is fake? Turns out, a lot of it, actually| New York Magazine

    How bots took over our lives | The New Yorker

    The ‘dead internet theory’ is real — and it’s killing the web | Fast Company

    The fanfare around the band Geese actually was a psyop | Wired

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  30. Tariffs didn’t bring manufacturing jobs back to the US

    27 juli 2026 · 1 uur 12 min

    Afspelen
    Evan Smith, cofounder and CEO of Altana, was last on the show in early 2025 to talk about how Trump’s first few waves of tariffs were starting to affect global trade. It was a very alarming and also very illuminating chat; Evan and I got into the existential weeds of international relations and economics almost immediately. Lees meer

    A year and a half later, and everything is somehow even more chaotic than it was the last time Evan and I talked — and that’s true about both trade and also the world of running a software company. Agentic AI, whack-a-mole tariff policy, war in Iran — we jumped right back into weeds yet again.

    Read the full interview transcript The Verge.

    Links:

    How Trump’s tariff chaos is already changing global trade | Decoder

    Skydio CEO Adam Bry on not drawing red lines for drone use | Decoder

    Trump imposes new global tariffs, drawing protests from trading partners | Reuters

    Greer: USMCA Talks Could Stretch Into Next Year | Wall Street Journal

    Trump hits Canada with new 50% tariffs | Associated Press

    Iran weaponized the Strait of Hormuz. Now neighbors are going around it | CNN

    The Iran war is testing Southeast Asia’s faith in the US | Politico

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder’s producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Kabir Chopra. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  31. What Apple’s OpenAI lawsuit is really about

    23 juli 2026 · 44 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Hayden Field, The Verge’s senior AI reporter, about the major trade secrets lawsuit between Apple and OpenAI, and what this tells us about OpenAI’s future. Lees meer

    Hayden has been covering OpenAI for years now, and she also just talked to a bunch of lawyers who specialize in intellectual property and trade secret law to get a sense of how serious this case is. The answer is not entirely positive for OpenAI. This legal battle could also affect OpenAI’s hardware plans, its forthcoming IPO, and its already-damaged reputation.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Sam Altman didn’t need another lawsuit | The Verge

    OpenAI’s first device will be moveable, screenless speaker | Bloomberg

    Apple sues OpenAI for allegedly stealing hardware secrets | The Verge

    The 6 wildest claims in Apple’s lawsuit against OpenAI | The Verge

    OpenAI is buying Jony Ive’s AI hardware company | The Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  32. Dr. Jill Lepore on why the AI backlash is vital for the future

    20 juli 2026 · 1 uur

    Afspelen
    Dr. Jill Lepore is one of the best writers there is at identifying institutional patterns in history, and Decoder is a show about systems and organization — so her new book, The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State, is a perfect fit for the show. Lees meer

    You build systems by measuring things — gathering information, quantifying it as data, and taking action on it. The book's big thesis is that this kind of systemic measurement is really a dehumanizing act, one that flattens humanity and human concerns into something, well, artificial.

    These artificial structures touch everything — not just in the more obvious places like in apps or AI, but all the way up to politics, governance, and the very future of the nation-state itself.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    The Artificial State | The New Yorker

    ‘Terminator’ to tech titans: Jill Lepore on the ‘artificial state’ | Yale Univ.

    The failed ideas that drive Elon Musk | New York Times

    Sam Altman | The Joe Rogan Experience

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    Decoder’s producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  33. Proton’s CTO: No company is going to jail for you

    16 juli 2026 · 1 uur 24 min

    Afspelen
    We’ve got the first of a two-part series on the systems that run the world: I’m talking today with Bart Butler, the CTO of Proton, the company that makes private and secure productivity software. Lees meer

    There’s a lot of big Decoder themes in this one. That includes how Proton has structured its ownership and architected its products to align its incentives with protecting users. At the same time, Proton faces new challenges and pressures, both at home in Switzerland and from the EU and US government that are putting its values to the test.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Proton now offers an entire bundle of office services | The Verge

    Proton Mail helped FBI unmask anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ protester | 404Media

    Proton says it will leave Switzerland if this controversial law Is passed | Vice

    Age verification is a mess but we’re doing it anyway | The Verge

    Let’s build a children’s public internet | The Verge

    Let me see some ID: age verification is spreading across the internet | The Verge

    Why Chat Control 1.0 is the EU's most Orwellian law yet | Euronews

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    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  34. Yes, even Nvidia's head of automotive is fighting for compute

    13 juli 2026 · 1 uur 12 min

    Afspelen
    Nvidia is obviously in the news constantly because of the AI boom — but it's also a major supplier to the entire auto industry As head of Nvidia's automotive division, Xinzhou Wu has a front-row seat to all the challenges EVs and autonomous vehicles are facing, especially in the US. Lees meer

    And of course, you can’t talk about electric cars or vehicle autonomy in the US without talking about Elon Musk and Tesla. So I asked Xinzhou pretty directly if Tesla full self driving can actually do what Elon claims it will be able to do without using LiDAR. You tell me if you think his answer holds up.

    Read the ⁠full interview transcript on The Verge⁠.

    Links:

    Nvidia’s head of autonomous driving opens up about his plans | The Verge

    Hyundai, Nissan, BYD, and Geely Join Nvidia’s Level 4 | MotorTrend

    Nvidia, auto suppliers roll out partnerships to rekindle self-driving | Reuters

    Meet Alpamayo, Nvidia’s new AI model for autonomous cars | Forbes

    I tested Nvidia’s FSD competitor — Tesla should be worried | The Verge

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    Decoder’s producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt; this episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  35. Why did Comcast ever buy NBC?

    9 juli 2026 · 1 uur 3 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Peter Kafka, chief correspondent at Business Insider and host of Channels, a podcast about the media industry. And it’s a big week for the media industry — Comcast just announced that it’s splitting itself up, into the Comcast broadband company and the NBCUniversal entertainment company. Lees meer

    This dream, that you can combine distribution with big splashy entertainment properties, has failed time and again. But Comcast tried the content plus pipes strategy for longer than most. So Peter and I discussed what happened in the media and broadband industries over the last 15 years, and what might happen next.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Comcast is cutting NBCUniversal loose | Business Insider

    Comcast’s split could make or break Peacock | The Verge

    Comcast and NBCUniversal will go it alone. But for how long? | NYT

    Comcast split shows bigger is no longer better | Deadline

    A cable scion’s hardest deal yet: breaking up his family’s company | WSJ

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    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  36. Inside the big business of the creator economy, with Ali Berman and Raina Penchansky

    6 juli 2026 · 1 uur 8 min

    Afspelen
    Today I’m talking with Ali Berman and Raina Penchansky, who run the Creators Division at United Talent Agency. UTA is an enormous talent agency, and Ali and Raina's creators division represents some of the biggest creators and influencers in the world. Lees meer

    So I really wanted to know how Raina and Ali identify up-and-coming talent, how they work with that talent to build durable businesses, and what the machinations of being a top creator actually look like in practice.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    The power brokers behind the $250B influencer economy | Wall Street Journal

    The Influencer Cliff | Carmen Vicente (TikTok)

    UTA Unveils Upscale Office for Creators | The Hollywood Reporter

    YouTube Stars Breach Hollywood’s Most Gilded Gate | New York Times

    CAA, TPG form holding company to acquire creator-led businesses | Variety

    How creator talent agencies are evolving into multi-platform operators | Digiday

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    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt; this episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  37. The CMO is a dying role, says Digitas' Amy Lanzi

    2 juli 2026 · 56 min

    Afspelen
    We’ve got a special Decoder today. I had the chance to talk with Amy Lanzi, the CEO of Digitas North America, in front of a live audience at the Uber villa at the Cannes Lions advertising festival in the south of France. Lees meer

    There’s a lot in this one on AI, the creator economy, and the future of marketing – like I said, Amy is as sharp as they come, and I really enjoy talking to her about how the money really works.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    The Influencer Cliff | Carmen Vicente (TikTok)

    The Wrong Promises | Publicis Groupe (YouTube)

    You can just tell the Instagram algorithm what you want now | The Verge

    How brands and creators are fighting for your attention and money | Decoder (2025)

    How influencers are changing advertising, with Digitas’ Amy Lanzi | Decoder (2024)

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  38. He changed outdoor cooking forever — then took over Weber

    29 juni 2026 · 1 uur 12 min

    Afspelen
    It’s time for our annual Fourth of July grill episode here at Decoder, which is when we invite the CEOs of outdoor cooking companies onto the show to explain just how their businesses kind of look like every other business. And this is a very special edition. Lees meer

    Today we’re talking to Roger Dahle, the CEO of Weber Blackstone, a full circle moment for Decoder. Roger was our first-ever grill CEO on the show back when he was the CEO of just Blackstone. Five years later, Roger now runs one of his biggest competitors, after Blackstone announced a merger with Weber in 2024. So we talked about that process, and how Roger is managing the integration of these two grilling giants.

    Links:

    Weber and Blackstone to combine | The Verge

    How Blackstone became the darling of grill TikTok | Decoder (2021)

    How arson led to a culture reboot at Traeger, with CEO Jeremy Andrus | Decoder (2022)

    Big Green Egg CEO Dan Gertsacov on growing kamado cooking | Decoder (2024)

    How SharkNinja took over the home | Decoder (2025)

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Eileen Felix. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  39. Rewind: CEO Jim Farley on Ford's EV gamble

    25 juni 2026 · 1 uur 4 min

    Afspelen
    Hey everyone, Nilay here. You might remember I took a break from Decoder last year — we had a baby, so I took some leave. In my place, we had an excellent slate of guest hosts, and we’ve been working hard to bring you those episodes in full video since we launched our official Decoder YouTube channel. Lees meer

    So today, we’re featuring a really great interview conducted by my very good friend Joanna Stern, now the founder and CEO of New Things, and Ford CEO Jim Farley. Joanna pulled some exclusive news out of Jim at the time, including some telling quotes on Trump’s tariff policy, on Ford competing with Chinese EVs, and the company's stance on Apple CarPlay.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and the quest for a $30,000 EV | Decoder

    Joanna Stern is not a robot, but she lived with them | Decoder

    Ford's Jim Farley: 'I totally would’ve done it differently.’ | The Verge

    Ford pulls the plug on the all-electric F-150 Lightning pickup truck | NPR

    Inside the lab where Ford is trying to crack the code on cheap EVs | The Verge

    Ford is fighting against physics to build affordable EVs | The Verge

    Ford reveals breakthrough process for lower priced EVs | The Verge

    Ford CEO Jim Farley on building the electric F-150 | Decoder (2021)

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    The show is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. The video version of this episode was edited by Kabir Chopra. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  40. Can Patreon fight fire with social media fire?

    22 juni 2026 · 1 uur 13 min

    Afspelen
    A lot has changed on the internet, in the creator landscape, and at Patreon itself since CEO Jack Conte was last on the show in 2021. AI and platform shifts have stolen creator content and decimated artists' reach and revenue streams, and Patreon has made some pretty existential changes to the way it works in response. Lees meer

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    My thoughts on AI | Patreon

    I tried to prove I’m not AI | Howtown

    Patreon: Apple’s 30% tax is the price of staying in the App Store | The Verge

    Welcome to hell, Elon (2022) | The Verge

    Reality is losing the deepfake war | Decoder

    Elon Musk is steamrolling Wall Street to become a trillionaire | Decoder

    Incorruptible | Simon & Schuster

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  41. Who decides when AI is too dangerous?

    18 juni 2026 · 41 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter for The Verge. Often when Hayden comes on the show, it’s because something has gone wrong in the world of AI. Last weekend, that something was a pretty intense mix of Anthropic, the Trump administration, and Anthropic’s new AI model, Fable 5. Lees meer

    Hayden actually just published a fantastic play-by-play on The Verge about how the Fable ban went down, and the scramble through the weekend from both sides to figure out what exactly happened and how it might get resolved. So I wanted her to come on and just walk me through the timeline and what it all means.

    Read the ⁠full interview transcript on The Verge⁠.

    Links:

    Inside the fight over Claude Mythos 5 | ⁠The Verge⁠

    Anthropic cuts off Fable 5 and Mythos 5 access following government order | ⁠The Verge⁠

    Anthropic got hit by export rules nobody understands | ⁠The Verge⁠

    Anthropic’s safety superpower | ⁠Stratechery⁠

    "They screwed us": Personality clashes sent Anthropic's models offline | ⁠Axios⁠

    Anthropic’s call for AI nonproliferation | ⁠New York Times⁠

    Trump signs exec order to review AI models before release | ⁠The Verge⁠

    New Anthropic model finds security problems ‘in every major OS, browser’ | ⁠The Verge⁠

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  42. Skydio CEO argues more drones will make us safer

    15 juni 2026 · 1 uur 13 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Slydio CEO Adam Bry, who runs the leading US maker of autonomous drones. We covered a lot in this conversation, including Skydio’s police and government work at a time when military use of AI is more controversial than ever and competing with Chinese drones against the backdrop of the Trump’s administration’s DJI ban. Lees meer

    There’s a lot in this one – maybe more than anything, it was refreshing to hear Adam talk about using AI to bring even more people to work at Skydio as the company expands. I also got to fly a drone, which ruled.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Flying a semi-autonomous industrial drone | Decoder

    Sorry kid, drones are for war now | The Verge

    The FCC’s foreign drone ban is here | The Verge

    Skydio is pivoting to enterprise — its consumer drones are dead | The Verge

    Skydio commits $3.5B to expand US manufacturing | Skydio

    A US drone maker tries to take back the country’s skies | Bloomberg

    DEA looks to add Skydio, Parrot drones to its arsenal | FedScoop

    The future of border security isn’t at the border at all | The Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  43. Condé Nast CEO Roger Lynch on AI, the Met Gala & his secret succession plan

    11 juni 2026 · 55 min

    Afspelen
    Hey! Nilay here. It’s conference season, so I’m traveling across the country and around the world a lot more than usual. Stay tuned for some very special Decoder episodes we have coming up soon, starting on Monday. Lees meer

    In the meantime, I wanted to share a conversation between my friend Peter Kafka and Condé Nast CEO Roger Lynch on the excellent Channels podcast. Lynch says he’s told his teams to assume that traffic will be zero from now on — that’s what I’ve been calling Google Zero. Roger also shares his thoughts on AI, the growing influence of the creator economy, and more.

    Links:

    Channels with Peter Kafka | Apple Podcasts

    Condé Nast CEO: Plan As If Search Traffic Will Be Zero | Search Engine Journal

    Sundar Pichai on AI, the future of search, and what’s happening to the web | Decoder

    Google Zero is here — now what? | Decoder

    Google admits the open web is in ‘rapid decline’ | The Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  44. Microsoft AI chief thinks superintelligence is near, but won't take your job

    8 juni 2026 · 1 uur 16 min

    Afspelen
    Today I’m talking with Mustafa Suleyman, the CEO of Microsoft AI. This is a real burner of an episode. We covered everything from his approach to training new models to his criticisms of Anthropic talking about Claude as though it is conscious. Lees meer

    Of course, we also talked about Microsoft’s relationship with OpenAI, how Mustafa is thinking about all the negative polling and political pushback around AI right now, and whether any of the consumer products are good enough to overcome it. Like I said, it’s a burner.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Microsoft and OpenAI broke up — now they’re ready to fight | The Verge

    Microsoft Build 2026: The 7 biggest announcements | The Verge

    Microsoft’s first advanced reasoning AI is here | The Verge

    Microsoft’s new ‘superintelligence’ game plan is all about business | The Verge

    Here’s how the new Microsoft and OpenAI deal breaks down | The Verge

    Microsoft AI chief says 18 months until white-collar tasks automated by AI | FT

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  45. Elon Musk is steamrolling Wall Street to become a trillionaire

    4 juni 2026 · 49 min

    Afspelen
    My guest today is Ryan Mac, a technology reporter at The New York Times and co-author of the excellent book Character Limit: How Elon Musk Destroyed Twitter, which came out in 2024. I wanted to have Ryan on today because we’re on the cusp of the SpaceX IPO, which promises to be one of the most consequential public offerings in history for a variety of reasons. Lees meer

    Its biggest-ever size, of course, at nearly $2 trillion dollars. But also because all kinds of rules that keep our markets fair are being bent, if not outright broken, along the way. And, also because buried somewhere inside SpaceX is X, the social platform formerly known as Twitter, which Musk purchased in 2022.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Welcome to hell, Elon | The Verge

    The SpaceX IPO is great for Elon Musk and terrible for you | The Verge

    In SpaceX’s IPO, Elon Musk is the risk factor | The Verge

    For Wall Street, the only thing worse than SpaceX flopping is missing out | NYT

    How SpaceX Is structured to favor Elon Musk | NYT

    As the SpaceX hype machine steamrolls ahead, Wall Street jumps aboard | NYT

    The SpaceX IPO Reveals What Really Happened to Twitter | NY Mag

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  46. AI is blowing up music. How should the Grammys handle it?

    1 juni 2026 · 1 uur 6 min

    Afspelen
    I last talked to Recording Academy CEO Harvey Mason Jr in 2024 — when it was obvious that generative AI would upend the music industry, but not exactly clear how that would happen. Lees meer

    Now, Harvey says AI is “omnipresent” in music production. So what kinds of tools are musicians using, in what way, and what kind of music is it making for us? Is it any good? And how do we identify, and take care of, actual human musicians in this mess?

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Why the Grammys need to change, with CEO Harvey Mason Jr | Decoder

    Is ‘blue dot fever’ a real problem for the concert industry? | Los Angeles Times

    USA v. LiveNation-Ticketmaster: All the news | The Verge

    The future of country music is here, and it’s AI | The Verge

    Poll: AI is transforming how we think about music | Hollywood Reporter

    Inside the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ era of AI in music | Rolling Stone

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.
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  47. Rivian's software chief thinks you don't need CarPlay or buttons

    28 mei 2026 · 1 uur 10 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Wassym Bensaid, the chief software officer at Rivian, and the co-ceo of Rivian’s platform joint venture with Volkswagen. That joint venture, called RV Tech, is about a year and a half old, so I wanted to ask Wassym how it all works and Rivian’s ongoing relationship with Volkswagen. Lees meer

    Because it’s Rivian, I also had to ask Wassym about CarPlay. But the company also just launched an AI-powered voice assistant, which I got to try early. So I had a lot of fun digging into that with Wassym, too. This is a fun one – really in the weeds of a lot of my favorite things to talk about.

    Links:

    Rivian’s AI-powered voice assistant is ready to roll | The Verge

    The R2 is nearly here — can Rivian stick the landing? | The Verge

    Rivian’s AI pivot is about more than chasing Tesla | The Verge

    Rivian / VW will start testing their first EVs next year | The Verge

    Rivian CEO: ‘We’re really convicted’ about skipping CarPlay | Decoder (2025)

    Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe says too many carmakers are copying Tesla | Decoder (2024)

    Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe isn't scared of the Cybertruck | Decoder (2023)

    Rivian’s chief software officer says in-car buttons are ‘an anomaly’ | TechCrunch

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt,. This episode was edited by Xander Adams. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  48. How Sundar Pichai is rethinking Google for the AI era

    26 mei 2026 · 51 min

    Afspelen
    Connecting with Google CEO Sundar Pichai at I/O every year is one of my favorite Decoder traditions. This was our fifth year doing it, and there’s always a whole slew of new things to talk about. Lees meer

    This year, in addition to the news, we talked about Google Zero; picking fights with YouTube creators and publishers; and what being at “the foothills of the singularity" even means.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    If Google can’t make AI agents useful, maybe no one can | The Verge

    The future of Google is a search box that does everything | The Verge

    Large language mistake | The Verge

    You can now remix other people’s YouTube Shorts with AI | The Verge

    Condé Nast calls Google Zero | The Verge

    Demis Hassabis said this may be the ‘foothills of the singularity’ | The Verge

    Google I/O 2026: All the news and announcements | The Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Kabir Chopra. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  49. Musk v Altman: Much ado about nothing

    21 mei 2026 · 34 min

    Afspelen
    Musk v Altman was nominally about OpenAI's conversion to a for-profit entity, and how it went about that change. But really, the suit seems mostly to have been about Elon Musk being mad at Sam Altman — or at OpenAI, for being successful without him — and wanting him punished in some way. Lees meer

    Verge reporter Liz Lopatto spent the last month covering the trial, in all its chaos, and joins Decoder to ask: In a courtroom full of untrustworthy, unreliable people all fighting with each other, did anyone even have a reputation left to lose?

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Elon Musk loses his case against Sam Altman | The Verge

    Musk v. Altman proved AI is led by the wrong people | The Verge

    Musk v. Altman accomplished nothing but airing dirty laundry | The Verge

    Elon Musk’s worst enemy in court is Elon Musk | The Verge

    Behold, the Elon Musk jackass trophy | The Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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  50. Exclusive: Jonah Peretti explains why he sold BuzzFeed

    18 mei 2026 · 1 uur 10 min

    Afspelen
    Just days before we spoke, BuzzFeed co-founder and CEO Jonah Peretti agreed to sell the company, which was losing money and at risk of shutting down. Now there’s a new lease on life — and new leadership. Jonah is taking on a new role as president of BuzzFeed AI, and Byron Allen will become CEO of BuzzFeed. Lees meer

    That’s obviously a huge structural and organizational change, and a really big decision — prime Decoder bait if there ever was any. What are digital media companies doing to adapt and survive in an information landscape dominated by algorithmic social platforms?

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Byron Allen is buying BuzzFeed and becoming CEO | Variety

    BuzzFeed issues going concern warning, lacks liquidity | Wall Street Journal

    BuzzFeed News is shutting down | The Verge

    BuzzFeed sells Hot Ones studio in $82.5M deal | NBC News

    The unbearable lightness of BuzzFeed | The Verge

    I hate myself because I don’t work for BuzzFeed (2015) | The Awl

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    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt; this episode was edited by Kabir Chopra. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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