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  1. How Silicon Valley enshittified the internet

    30 oktober 2025 · 1 uur 10 min

    Afspelen
    This is Sarah Jeong, features editor at The Verge. I’m standing in for Nilay for one final Thursday episode here as he settles back into full-time hosting duties. Today, we’ve got a fun one. I’m talking to Cory Doctorow, prolific author, internet activist, and arguably one of the fiercest tech critics writing today. Lees meer

    He has a new book out called Enshittifcation: Why Everything Suddenly Got Worse and What to Do About It. So I sat down with Cory to discuss what enshittification is, why it’s happening, and how we might fight it.

    Links:

    Enshittification | Macmillan

    Why every website you used to love is getting worse | Vox

    The age of Enshittification | The New Yorker

    Yes, everything online sucks now — but it doesn’t have to | Ars Technica

    The enshittification of garage-door openers reveals vast, deadly rot | Cory Doctorow

    Mark Zuckerberg emails outline plan to neutralize competitors | The Verge

    Google gets to keep Chrome, judge rules in antitrust case | The Verge

    How Amazon wins: by steamrolling rivals and partners | WSJ

    A new web DRM standard has security researchers worried | The Verge

    Netflix, Microsoft & Google just changed how the web works | The Outline

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    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  2. LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here

    27 oktober 2025 · 1 uur 5 min

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    LexisNexis is one of the most important companies in the entire legal system. For ages it's been where you went to look up case law and do legal research. There isn’t a lawyer today who hasn’t used it — it’s fundamental infrastructure for the legal profession, just like email or a word processor. Lees meer

    But in 2025, apparently nobody can resist the siren call of AI, and LexisNexis is no different. The first word Sean said to describe LexisNexis wasn’t “law” or “data,” it was “AI.” And I had questions, because so far AI has created just as much chaos and slop in the courts as anywhere else.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Errors found in judge’s withdrawn decision stink of AI | The Verge

    Why do lawyers keep using ChatGPT? | The Verge

    Conservative judge says AI could strengthen originalist movement | Reuters

    LexisNexis CEO says it’s ‘a matter of time’ before attorney loses a license | Fortune

    Two companies ruled legal tech for decades. AI is blowing that open | BI

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  3. Why GM will give you Gemini — but not CarPlay

    22 oktober 2025 · 1 uur 18 min

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    Today’s guests are General Motors CEO Mary Barra and new GM Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson. There’s a lot of big news the company just announced, including a Google Gemini-powered AI assistant that's coming to new cars and an entirely new hardware and software platform coming to the Escalade IQ in 2028 alongside true Level 3 autonomous driving. Lees meer

    So I asked Mary about all of that and how she's navigating the current moment, and her company's relationship with the Trump administration. I also got into the details on GM’s platform with Sterling, including its decision to ditch Apple CarPlay on its EVs and what all this looks like in the future as AI voice assistants and more capable autonomy come into the mix.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    GM says hands-free, eyes-off driving is coming to Escalade IQ | The Verge

    GM takes a $1.6 billion hit on EVs | ⁠The Verge

    GM software boss on ditching CarPlay | Decoder

    Ford CEO on China, tariffs, and the quest for a $30,000 EV | Decoder

    The EV tax credit is gone — now the hard part begins | Decoder

    GM blocks dealership from installing CarPlay retrofit kits in EVs | The Verge

    Everybody hates GM’s decision to kill Apple CarPlay | The Verge

    GM hires ex-Tesla, Aurora exec as chief product officer | CNBC

    Cruise’s robotaxi service will shut down as GM pulls its funding | The Verge

    Newsom names GM’s Mary Barra as villain in fight with feds | Streetlight CA

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  4. Zocdoc CEO: "Dr. Google is going to be replaced by Dr. AI"

    20 oktober 2025 · 1 uur 6 min

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    Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. I’m back from parental leave, and I’m really excited to jump back into Decoder. Today’s episode is a special one: I’m talking to Zocdoc CEO Oliver Kharraz, and we chatted live on stage at the TechFutures conference in New York City. Lees meer

    You’re almost certainly familiar with ZocDoc — it’s a platform that helps people find and book appointments with doctors. It’s a classic of the early app economy. The big difference is that Zocdoc plugs into the U.S. healthcare system, which is of course a giant mess, and that means Zocdoc has a big moat. So we talked about competition, navigating the US healthcare system, and, of course, what AI is doing to medicine.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    "Superhuman" AI could transform medicine, Zocdoc CEO says | Axios

    How AI is changing your doctors appointments | Fast Company

    This Strategy ‘Nearly Killed’ Zocdoc. | Inc.

    Zocdoc Turns 18 | Oliver Kharraz / LinkedIn

    Meet Zo, the AI Phone Assistant for healthcare | Zocdoc

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  5. The EV tax credit is dead. What now?

    16 oktober 2025 · 40 min

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    This is Jake Kastrenakes, executive editor at The Verge. I’m filling in for Nilay here while he settles back into full-time hosting duties. We’ve got a very good episode for you today. My guest is Verge transportation editor Andy Hawkins, and we’re talking about the federal EV tax credit. Lees meer

    The tax credit expired at the end of September, and there are a lot of questions about what happens to the auto industry after its demise. This is a really hard, complicated set of problems, with a lot of moving parts, so I was really excited to have Andy on the show to break down all of these components and give us a clearer picture about what’s coming next.

    Links:

    The EV tax credit is dead — here’s what happens next | The Verge

    GM takes a $1.6 billion hit on EVs | The Verge

    Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and affordable EV | The Verge

    Ford lost $5 billion on EVs in 2024, teases new models | The Verge

    EV makers fill tax-credit void with costly discounts | Automotive News

    So much for Ford and GM’s scheme to extend the EV tax credit | The Verge

    Stellantis replaces EV tax credit with its own discount | Automotive News

    Tesla sales picking up thanks to expiring tax credit | The Verge

    California Reverses Pledge To Revive EV Tax Credit | SF Chronicle

    Global EV sales growth slows to 15% in August, research firm says | Reuters

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  6. Announcing an ad-free Decoder feed for Verge subscribers

    15 oktober 2025 · 1 min

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    If you're a paid subscriber to the Verge, there's great news: you can now listen to Decoder, Version History, and The Vergecast completely ad-free. Just head to your Account Settings page to opt-in and start listening without ads. Not a member of The Verge yet? No worries! You can sign up at theverge.com/subscribe to get ad-free podcasts, plus other perks like exclusive newsletters and unlimited access to everything we publish.
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  7. The AI industry is at a major crossroads

    9 oktober 2025 · 44 min

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    This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge and your Thursday episode guest host. It’s been a very big news week in AI, and a lot of it had to do with OpenAI, its DevDay in San Francisco this week, and the viral explosion of AI-generated video thanks to the company’s new Sora app. Lees meer

    So I brought in Kanjun Qiu, CEO of AI startup Imbue and a close watcher of the industry, to break down what’s really happening, why it’s happening, and the societal implications of it all.

    Links:

    All of the updates from OpenAI DevDay 2025 | The Verge

    OpenAI wasn’t expecting Sora’s copyright drama | The Verge

    I’ve fallen into Sora’s slippery slop | The Verge

    Sora 2 users are having fun with Sam Altman’s face | The Verge

    OpenAI will let developers build apps that work inside ChatGPT | The Verge

    OpenAI wants ChatGPT to be your future operating system | Wired

    Sora 2 watermark removers flood the web | 404 Media

    What the arrival of AI-fabricated video means for us | NYT

    Recruiters use AI to scan résumés — applicants are trying to trick it | NYT

    Employers are buried in AI-generated résumés | NYT

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams.

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  8. Rivian CEO on CarPlay, Lidar, and affordable EVs

    6 oktober 2025 · 51 min

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    I’m Joanna Stern, the senior personal tech columnist at The Wall Street Journal, and this is my final Decoder episode filling in for Nilay while he’s out on parental leave. My guest today: Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe. This is RJ’s third time on the show, and it felt like the perfect follow-up to my conversation last week with Ford CEO Jim Farley. Lees meer

    I loved the idea of going straight from Ford to Rivian. And if you listened to the Farley episode, this one flows nicely. RJ and I cover a lot of the same challenges: tariffs, China, EV pricing. Of course, I also asked about CarPlay.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    A pretty fascinating look under the hood of the Rivan R2 | The Verge

    Rivian CEO says CarPlay isn’t going to happen | The Verge

    Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe says too many carmakers are copying Tesla | Decoder

    Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe isn't scared of the Cybertruck | Decoder

    Rivian breaks ground on $5 billion Georgia plant | AP

    Rivian narrows 2025 delivery guidance Q3 as production slips | WSJ

    Rivian R2 remains on track for $45,000 and 2026 production | Car and Driver

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  9. The good, the bad, and the future of AI agents

    2 oktober 2025 · 47 min

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    This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge and your Thursday episode guest host. Today, I’m talking with David Hershey, who leads the applied AI team at Anthropic. I wanted to have David on because earlier this week, Anthropic released a brand-new AI model called Claude Sonnet 4.5 that’s been making waves. Lees meer

    So I wanted to sit down with David, who spends a lot of time testing out what modes like Claude Sonnet 4.5 can and can’t do, to ask him where we are on this promise of AI agents, and also what the path forward looks like as agentic technology progresses.

    Links:

    Anthropic releases Claude Sonnet 4.5 in latest bid for AI agents | The Verge

    ChatGPT’s built-in Buy Now button has arrived | The Verge

    OpenAI really wants you to start your day with ChatGPT Pulse | The Verge

    Anthropic’s Claude AI is playing Pokémon | The Verge

    AI agents are science fiction not yet ready for primetime | The Verge

    Agents are the future AI companies promise and need | The Verge

    Amazon is betting on agents to win the AI race | Decoder

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  10. Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and the quest for a $30,000 EV

    29 september 2025 · 1 uur 3 min

    Afspelen
    This is Joanna Stern, senior personal technology columnist at The Wall Street Journal. I’m the last Monday guest host filling in for Nilay here on Decoder while he’s out on parental leave with his adorable new son, and I’m very excited to be talking today to Ford CEO Jim Farley. Lees meer

    I’m a longtime Decoder listener and my favorite episodes are car episodes. I think car CEOs are currently facing some of the most fascinating and complex challenges in both tech and business. So when I was asked to guest host the show I said, “That’s it, car CEOs.” And Farley was at the top of the list. This was a great conversation that covered a lot of ground. I think you’re going to like it.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    I’ve been driving an EV for a year. I have only one regret. | WSJ

    Ford reveals breakthrough process for lower priced EVs | The Verge

    Ford is betting the future on smaller EV batteries | The Verge

    Ford is doubling down on EVs — the timing is awful | The Verge

    Ford’s CEO on the essential economy and its untapped potential | Aspen Institute

    Ford rejigs EV plans after suffering billions in losses | NYT

    Why Americans can’t buy the world’s best electric car | NYT

    Ford CEO Jim Farley on building the electric F-150 | Decoder

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  11. How AI safety took a backseat to military money

    25 september 2025 · 43 min

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    This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge — and your Thursday episode guest host. I have another couple of shows for you while Nilay is out on parental leave, and we’re going to be spending more time diving into some of the unforeseen consequences of the generative AI boom. Lees meer

    Today, I’m talking with Heidy Khlaaf, who is chief AI scientist at the AI Now Institute, about the tech industry’s shift toward AI military applications. I wanted to know what’s motivated this shift, and why Heidy thinks leading AI firms are being far too cavalier about deploying generative AI in high-risk scenarios.

    Links:

    OpenAI is softening its stance on military use | The Verge

    OpenAI awarded $200 million US defense contract | The Verge

    OpenAI is partnering with defense tech company Anduril | The Verge

    Anthropic launches new Claude service for military and intelligence use | The Verge

    Anthropic, Palantir, Amazon team up on defense AI | Axios

    Google scraps promise not to develop AI weapons | The Verge

    Microsoft employees occupy headquarters in protest of Israel contracts | The Verge

    Microsoft’s employee protests have reached a boiling point | The Verge

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  12. Dropout CEO Sam Reich on business, comedy, and keeping culture weird

    22 september 2025 · 1 uur 6 min

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    Guest host Hank Green talks with his friend Dropout CEO Sam Reich about keeping a business simple, trying to run a company the “right way,” and why the internet should be full of as many weird little projects as possible. Lees meer

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    How CollegeHumor reinvented itself for the new internet age | People

    CollegeHumor shaped online comedy. What went wrong? [2020] | Wired

    ‘I believe in this enough to try to do it myself’ [2020] | Digiday

    Jacob Wysocki needed a minute to process that Game Changer | Vulture

    Game Changer smartly weaponizes its online following | Mashable

    Vimeo CEO Philip Moyer is betting on the human touch | Decoder

    Vimeo to be acquired by Bending Spoons for $1.38B | The Verge

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  13. How chatbots — and their makers — are enabling AI psychosis

    18 september 2025 · 50 min

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    Verge senior AI reporter Hayden Field and New York Times reporter Kashmir Hill discuss the significant mental health impact AI chatbots, such as ChatGPT, can have on users — both people in crisis, and also people who seemed stable. Lees meer

    This episode contains non-detailed discussions of suicide and mental illness. If you or someone you know is in crisis, considering self-harm, or needs to talk, please call the Lifeline at 988.

    Links:

    A teen was suicidal. ChatGPT was the friend he confided in. | New York Times

    Sam Altman says ChatGPT will stop talking about suicide with teens | The Verge

    Chatbots can go into a delusional spiral. Here’s how. | New York Times

    Why is ChatGPT telling people to email me? | New York Times

    They asked an AI chatbot questions. The answers sent them spiraling. | New York Times

    She is in love with ChatGPT | The New York Times

    ‘I feel like I’m going crazy’: ChatGPT fuels delusional spirals | Wall Street Journal

    Meta, OpenAI face FTC inquiry on chatbots’ impact on kids | Bloomberg

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  14. How brands and creators are fighting for your attention — and your money

    15 september 2025 · 1 uur 1 min

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    This is Hank Green, the cofounder of Complexly. I’m back for my second guest hosting spot here on Decoder while Nilay is out on parental leave. Today, I’m talking with Digitas CEO Amy Lanzi, who runs a major marketing and ad agency. You might remember Amy; Nilay interviewed her for Decoder live at an event in New York City almost a year ago. But Nilay, who runs what might be the last website on Earth, has a very different perspective on the world of digital marketing than I do. So as a career YouTuber, I had a lot of questions for someone in a position like Amy’s. Lees meer

    Links:

    Digitas unveils new generative AI platform, Digitas AI | Digitas

    Amy Lanzi on steering Digitas through the demands of modern marketing | Sightly

    Introducing Reddit Community Intelligence | Reddit

    Digitas North America announces Amy Lanzi as CEO | Digitas

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  15. Sierra CEO Bret Taylor on why the AI bubble feels like the dotcom boom

    11 september 2025 · 51 min

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    This is Alex Heath. For my final episode as your Thursday episode guest host, I recently sat down with Bret Taylor, the CEO of AI startup Sierra and the chairman of OpenAI, for a live event in San Francisco hosted by Alix Partners. Lees meer

    Bret has worked at Google, Facebook, and Salesforce in high-level, executive roles, and he led Twitter’s board during Elon Musk’s takeover, so very few people have seen the tech industry up close like Bret has. Now, he’s all in on AI. We covered a lot of ground in this conversation, and I hope you find Bret’s perspective as fascinating as I did.

    Links:

    Ex-Salesforce co-CEO Bret Taylor’s Sierra is the latest $10 billion AI startup | CNBC

    I talked to Sam Altman about the GPT-5 launch fiasco | Verge

    Sam Altman says ‘yes,’ AI is in a bubble | Verge

    MIT study on AI profits rattles tech investors | Axios

    GPT-5 Pro can prove new, interesting mathematics | Sebastien Bubeck

    AI chatbots are ready to talk to customers. Sort of. | WSJ

    How is AI different than other technology waves? | Acquired Podcast

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  16. Sal Khan is hopeful that AI won't destroy education

    8 september 2025 · 1 uur 4 min

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    This is Hank Green, cofounder of Complexly. You might remember last year when I turned the tables on Nilay and interviewed him on his own show. That was a ton of fun, and it was so much fun that they’ve brought me back again. This time, I’m stepping in for Nilay to host the next few Decoder episodes while he’s out on parental leave. Lees meer

    Today, I’m talking with a very special guest: Sal Khan, the founder and CEO of Khan Academy. Sal was actually Nilay’s second-ever guest on Decoder, back in 2020. And well, a whole lot has changed since then. So I wanted to have Sal back on to ask what it’s like running Khan Academy today, in the aftermath of the pandemic. But also how online learning is about to change, in really dramatic ways, due to artificial intelligence.

    Links:

    Sal Khan on A.I.'s promise and its risks | NBC News (YouTube)

    The best-case scenario for AI in schools | BBC News

    Meet Khanmigo: the student tutor AI being tested in schools | 60 Minutes| 60 Minutes

    Remote learning is here to stay — can we make it better? | Decoder

    Hank Green makes Nilay Patel explain why websites have a future | Decoder

    In classrooms, teachers put AI tutoring bots to the test | NYT

    Elite colleges have found a new virtue for applicants to fake | NYT

    Everyone Is cheating their way through college | New York Magazine

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  17. The quest to keep OpenAI honest

    4 september 2025 · 40 min

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    Despite being one of the most valuable companies in the world, OpenAI is still technically a nonprofit. That’s what set the stage for the dramatic board coup in 2023 that briefly ousted Sam Altman as CEO. And now, OpenAI is trying to shake this nonprofit structure so it can raise even more money and, eventually, go public. There’s a lot at stake here, and not just for OpenAI. Lees meer

    Links:

    OpenAI abandons plans to become a for-profit company | Verge

    Why California’s AG must continue investigation into OpenAI | CalMatters

    An open letter to OpenAI | EyesOnOpenAI

    OpenAI eyes $50B valuation in potential employee share sale | Reuters

    OpenAI thinks its critics are funded by billionaires | San Francisco Standard

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  18. Rewind: Bookshop CEO's crusade to save books from Amazon

    28 augustus 2025 · 1 uur 7 min

    Afspelen
    Hello, and welcome to Decoder! This is Senior Producer Nick Statt. We’re on a small break for the end of summer, and, sadly, Nilay will still be out a little while longer when we come back. But we have an excellent slate of guest host episodes starting up next month, so stay tuned for those. Lees meer

    In the meantime, we wanted to bring back one of our favorite Decoder interviews from earlier this year. It’s with Bookshop CEO Andy Hunter, who back in January launched a pretty bold ebook initiative to take on Amazon and Kindle. It’s been about seven months, but Bookshop has seen big results, including more than $1 million in ebook sales. So we thought it was a good time to revisit our conversation with Andy.

    Links:

    Bookshop.org reports 65% growth, e-books add $1 Million in sales | Publishers Weekly

    Bookshop CEO Andy Hunter’s crusade to save books from Amazon | Decoder

    Bookshop.org is launching an ebook store to take on Amazon | Verge

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  19. Is ChatGPT killing higher education?

    25 augustus 2025 · 57 min

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    Hello! Decoder senior producer Kate Cox here. I’m afraid I’m still not Nilay, but I hope you’ve been enjoying our series of guest hosts this summer while he’s out on parental leave. We have a few more really great guest episodes coming up, before Nilay returns to the host chair later this fall, so stay tuned. Lees meer

    The production team is taking our own break this week, so while we’re off we’re excited to share this episode of The Gray Area with you. Students all over the country — including my own kids, thank goodness — are back in school right around now, and so we thought it would be a perfect time to revisit host Sean Illing talking with journalist James Walsh about how AI tools like ChatGPT have kicked off a new cheating arms race that’s proving extremely disruptive to college education.

    There are a lot of big Decoder ideas — and problems — wrapped up in all this. Okay, The Gray Area, with Sean Illing. Enjoy.

    Links:

    If AI can do your classwork, why go to college? | The Gray Area

    Everyone Is cheating their way through college | New York Magazine

    How to get students to stop using AI | Verge

    I used the ‘cheat on everything’ AI tool and it didn’t help me cheat on anything | Verge

    Inside the frat-bro startup that wants you to ‘cheat on everything' | SF Standard

    A new headache for honest students: proving they didn’t use AI | NYT

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  20. Amazon is betting on agents to win the AI race

    21 augustus 2025 · 54 min

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    This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host and deputy editor at The Verge. One of the biggest topics in AI these days is agents — the idea that AI is going to move from chatbots to reliably completing tasks for us in the real world. But the problem with agents is that they really aren’t all that reliable right now. Lees meer

    There’s a lot of work happening in the AI industry to try and fix that, and that brings me to my guest today: David Luan, the head of Amazon’s AGI research lab, a cofounder of Adept, and a former VP of engineering at OpenAI. David and I discussed the release of GPT-5, what Amazon wants with agents, and where he thinks the AI race is headed next.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    The Platonic Representation Hypothesis | Phillip Isola

    Amazon plays catch-up with new Nova models to generate voices, video | Verge

    Amazon’s new AI agent is designed to do your shopping | Verge

    Microsoft is racing to build an AI ‘agent factory’ | Verge

    OpenAI’s new ChatGPT Agent can control an entire computer | Verge

    24 hours with Alexa Plus: we cooked, we chatted, and it kinda lied to me | Verge

    Why AI researchers are getting paid like NBA All-Stars | Decoder

    OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off — and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google | Verge

    This is Big Tech’s playbook for swallowing the AI industry | Command Line

    Amazon hires founders away from AI startup Adept | TechCrunch

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  21. How the head of Obsidian went from superfan to CEO

    18 augustus 2025 · 54 min

    Afspelen
    Obsidian is a note-taking and productivity app that occupies the same "second brain" space as competitors like Notion — but in a lot of ways, it's also startlingly different. Obsidian's files are Markdown-based, stored locally on your own devices, and completely free to use. Lees meer

    Steph Ango, the CEO, is also different in a lot of ways: He's not an Obsidian founder, but instead came to the role from being basically a member of the fan development community. His take on software, productivity, and business is refreshingly old-fashioned in a lot of good ways, while he's also leading a very 21st century startup.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    I’m joining Obsidian as CEO | Obsidian Blog

    About Obsidian (Manifesto) | Obsidian

    Narvar acquires Lumi (2021) | Narvar

    After 15 years whipping the llama’s ass, Winamp shuts down | TechCrunch

    Notion’s Ivan Zhao wants you to demand better from your tools | Decoder

    Book Review: “What I Talk About When I Talk About Running” | National Geographic

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt; our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  22. ChatGPT chief Nick Turley doesn't want you too attached to AI

    14 augustus 2025 · 55 min

    Afspelen
    This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host and deputy editor at The Verge. Today, I’m talking to a very special guest: Nick Turley, OpenAI’s head of ChatGPT. Lees meer

    While Sam Altman is definitely the public face of OpenAI, Nick has been leading ChatGPT’s development since the very beginning, and it’s now the fastest-growing software product of all time with more than 700 million weekly users. So, Nick and I talk about the backlash against OpenAI’s removal of its GPT-4o model, the future of ChatGPT itself, solving hallucinations, and why he thinks it eventually won’t look like a chatbot at all.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    ChatGPT won’t remove old models without warning after GPT-5 backlash | Verge

    ChatGPT is bringing back 4o as an option because people missed it | Verge

    GPT-5 is being released to all ChatGPT users | Verge

    The 6 biggest changes coming to ChatGPT | Verge

    ChatGPT has 20 million paying subscribers | Verge

    Elon Musk says he’s suing Apple for rigging App Store rankings | Verge

    OpenAI’s ChatGPT to hit 700 million weekly users | CNBC

    Chatbots can go into a delusional spiral. Here’s how it happens | NYT

    ChatGPT gave instructions for murder, self-mutilation, and devil worship | The Atlantic

    ‘I feel like I’m going crazy’: ChatGPT fuels delusional spirals | WSJ

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams.

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  23. Notion's CEO wants you to demand better from your tools

    11 augustus 2025 · 56 min

    Afspelen
    This is Casey Newton, founder and editor of Platformer and cohost of the Hard Fork podcast. This is the second episode of my productivity-focused Decoder series I’m doing while Nilay is out on parental leave. Lees meer

    Today, I’m talking with Notion cofounder and CEO Ivan Zhao. I’ve followed Notion for quite some time now — I’m a big fan, and I use Notion as part of my workflow with Platformer. So I was very excited to get Ivan on the show to discuss his philosophy on productivity, how he’s grown his company over the last decade, and where he sees the space going in the future.

    Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Introducing Notion AI for Work | Notion

    Notion Mail is a minimalist but powerful take on email | Verge

    Notion’s new Q&A feature lets you ask an AI about your notes | Verge

    Notion takes on AI notetakers with its own transcription feature | TechCrunch

    The impossible dream of good workplace software | Decoder

    When AI has better taste than you | Julie Zhuo / The Looking Glass

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was editor by Xander Adams.

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  24. GitHub's CEO says AI coding is ‘here to stay’

    7 augustus 2025 · 1 uur 1 min

    Afspelen
    This is Alex Heath, deputy editor at The Verge. My guest today is GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke. In many ways, GitHub Copilot set off the current AI coding boom. But since Thomas was on the show a year ago, the rise of vibe coding has shifted the buzz to newer platforms like Cursor and Windsurf. As you’ll hear in our conversation, Thomas is thinking a lot about the competition, and GitHub’s role in the future of software development. Lees meer

    Links:

    Developers, Reinvented | Thomas Dohmke / GitHub

    Developer Odyssey | Thomas Dohmke / GitHub

    Why tech is racing to adopt AI coding, with Cursor’s Michael Truell | Decoder

    GitHub CEO Thomas Dohmke says AI needs competition to thrive | ⁠⁠Decoder⁠⁠

    Up to 30 percent of some Microsoft code is now written by AI | Verge

    GitHub launches its AI app-making tool in preview | Verge

    Microsoft is getting ready for GPT-5 with a new Copilot smart mode | Verge

    Zuckerberg: AI will write most Meta code within 18 months | Engadget

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams.

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  25. Why tech is racing to adopt AI coding

    4 augustus 2025 · 56 min

    Afspelen
    This is Casey Newton, founder and editor of the Platformer newsletter and cohost of the Hard Fork podcast. I’ll be guest hosting the next few episodes of Decoder while Nilay is out on parental leave. For the next three weeks, I’ll be talking to leaders in the productivity space about what they’re building, and how they can help us get things done. Lees meer

    My guest today: Michael Truell, the CEO of Anysphere, the maker of automated programming platform Cursor AI. I sat down with Michael to talk about his product and how it works, why coding with AI has seen such incredible adoption, and what the future of automated programming really looks like.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Anysphere, hailed as fastest growing startup ever, raises $900 Million | Bloomberg

    AI coding assistant Cursor draws a million users without even trying | Bloomberg

    Anthropic rehires AI leaders from Anysphere | The Information

    Cursor apologizes for unclear pricing changes that upset users | TechCrunch

    OpenAI looked at buying Cursor creator before turning to rival Windsurf | CNBC

    Interview with Anysphere CEO Michael Truell about coding with AI | Stratechery

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  26. Why AI researchers are getting paid like NBA All-Stars

    31 juli 2025 · 40 min

    Afspelen
    This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host and deputy editor at The Verge. Today I'm joined by Hayden Field, The Verge’s new senior AI reporter to talk about the AI talent wars and why some researchers are suddenly getting traded like their NBA superstars. Lees meer

    Both Hayden and I have been reporting on this for the past several weeks to get a sense of much these companies are paying for top talent, why Big Tech firms like Google are opting to hire instead of acquire, and what it means that some of the most sought-after AI experts in the world are no longer motivated by money alone.

    Links:

    OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off — and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google | Verge

    Mark Zuckerberg promises you can trust him with superintelligent AI | Verge

    Meta is trying to win the AI race with money — but not everyone can be bought | Verge

    Meta says it’s winning the talent war with OpenAI | Command Line

    Google gets its swag back | Command Line

    The AI talent wars are just getting started | Command Line

    Meta tried to buy Safe Superintelligence, hired its CEO instead | CNBC

    Apple loses top AI models executive to Meta’s hiring spree | Bloomberg

    Meta’s AI recruiting campaign finds a new target | Wired

    Anthropic hires back two AI leaders from Anysphere | The Information

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  27. Can we ever trust an AI lawyer?

    28 juli 2025 · 55 min

    Afspelen
    This is CNBC journalist Jon Fortt. This is the last episode I’ll be guest-hosting for Nilay while he’s out on parental leave. My guest today is Richard Robinson, who is the cofounder and CEO of legal tech startup Robin AI. Lees meer

    Richard is a corporate lawyer-turned-startup founder working on AI tools for the legal profession. But law and AI have not mixed well. So I wanted to ask Richard about hallucinations, how lawyers can use AI today, and what it will really take to place our trust in an AI lawyer.

    Read the full transcript on The Verge.

    Links:

    Legal tech startup Robin AI raises another $25 million | Fortune

    Why do lawyers keep using ChatGPT? | Verge

    Judge slams lawyers for ‘bogus AI-generated research’ | Verge

    Lawyers using AI must heed ethics rules, ABA says in first formal guidance | Reuters

    Lawyers fined for submitting bogus case law created by ChatGPT | AP

    The ChatGPT lawyer explains himself | NYT

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  28. We are not ready for better deepfakes

    24 juli 2025 · 57 min

    Afspelen
    This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host. Today I'm talking with Gaurav Misra, the CEO of Captions. You may not have heard of Captions yet, but by now, you’ve probably seen a video that was generated using its AI models. The company’s Mirage Studio platform lets anyone generate AI versions of real people, and the results are alarmingly realistic. Lees meer

    Captions just put out a blog post titled, “We Build Synthetic Humans. Here’s What’s Keeping Us Up at Night.” It’s a good overview of the state of deepfakes and where they’re headed. So Gauraav and I sat down to discuss the trajectory of deepfake technology and what might be done to prevent it from being misused.

    Links:

    We build synthetic humans. Here’s what’s keeping us up at night | Captions

    Google’s Veo 3 AI video generator is a slop monger’s dream | Verge

    Gemini AI can now turn photos into videos | Verge

    Trump just unveiled his plan to put AI in everything | Verge

    Racist videos made with AI are going viral on TikTok | Verge

    Microsoft wants Congress to outlaw AI-generated deepfake fraud | Verge

    YouTube is supporting the ‘No Fakes Act’ targeting unauthorized AI replicas | Verge

    This Tom Cruise impersonator is using deepfake tech to impressive ends | Verge

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  29. Why tech billionaires want a ‘corporate dictatorship’

    21 juli 2025 · 1 uur 2 min

    Afspelen
    This is Jon Fortt, CNBC journalist. I’m guest-hosting for a couple more episodes of Decoder this summer while Nilay is out on parental leave. Today, I’m talking with a very special guest: Gil Duran, an old friend, journalist, and author of The Nerd Reich, a newsletter and forthcoming book about the shifting politics of Silicon Valley and the rise of tech authoritarianism. Lees meer

    Links:

    Is Peter Thiel the Antichrist? NYT didn’t think to ask | The Nerd Reich

    How tech authoritarianism becomes reality | The Nerd Reich

    Curtis Yarvin’s Plot Against America | The New Yorker

    The rise of techno-authoritarianism | The Atlantic

    JD Vance thinks monarchists have some good ideas | The Verge

    Startups meeting with Trump officials to push for deregulated ‘Freedom Cities’ | Wired

    Peter Thiel-linked startup wants to build the “next great city” in Greenland | Inside Hook

    Bitcoin could replace dollar If US debt grows says Coinbase CEO | CryptoSlate

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  30. Perplexity CEO on why the browser is AI's killer app

    17 juli 2025 · 50 min

    Afspelen
    This is Alex Heath, deputy editor at The Verge. Nilay’s out on parental leave for the next few months, so I’ll be stepping in to host our Thursday episodes while he’s out. My guest today is Perplexity CEO Aravind Srinivas, who is betting that the browser is where more useful AI will get built. Lees meer

    Perplexity just released Comet, an AI web browser for the Mac and Windows that’s still in an invite-only beta. I’ve been using it, and it’s very interesting. In this conversation, Aravind and I also discussed the future of Perplexity, the AI talent wars, and why he thinks people will eventually pay thousands of dollars for a single AI prompt.

    Read the full transcript here on The Verge.

    Links:

    Perplexity just launched an AI web browser | Verge

    Perplexity wants to buy Chrome if Google has to sell it | Verge

    The Dia browser is a big bet on the. web and AI | Verge

    Perplexity’s CEO on fighting Google & the AI browser war | Command Line

    Perplexity launches a $200 monthly subscription plan | Verge

    Meta says it’s winning the talent war with OpenAI | Verge

    Meta is trying to win the AI race with money | Verge

    Meta held talks to buy Perplexity and others | Command Line

    Inside Mark Zuckerberg’s AI hiring spree | Command Line

    Perplexity is ready to take on Google | Command Line

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  31. How decision making will change when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy

    14 juli 2025 · 1 uur 3 min

    Afspelen
    This is Jon Fortt, CNBC journalist, co-host of Closing Bell Overtime, and creator and host of the Fortt Knox podcast. I’m stepping in to guest host a few episodes of Decoder this summer while he’s out on parental leave, and I’m very excited for what we’ve been working on. Lees meer

    For my first episode of Decoder, a show about how people make decisions, I wanted to talk to an expert. So I sat down with Cassie Kozyrkov, the CEO and founder of AI consultancy Kozyr and the former chief decision scientist at Google. Read the full transcript over on The Verge.

    Links:

    Google’s ‘chief decision scientist’ explains why she left the company | Fortune

    What is Decision Science? | DataCamp (YouTube)

    Is It All About the Data? | DLD24 (YouTube)

    Cassie Kozyrkov on how AI can be a leadership partner | WorkLab

    Decision Intelligence with Cassie Kozyrkov | Google Cloud Platform Podcast

    Why AI and decision-making are two sides of the same coin | Cassie Kozyrkov

    Google's got a chief decision scientist. Here's what she does | Wired

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  32. Inside the AI startup frenzy: ‘Everyone’s pivoting, then pivoting again’

    10 juli 2025 · 49 min

    Afspelen
    On this episode of Decoder, Ellis Hamburger — former journalist at The Verge, early Snap employee, and founder of the brand strategy studio Meaning — joins guest host Alex Heath to share why many AI founders are missing the bigger picture. Lees meer

    Links:

    Meaning | Ellis Hamburger

    Social media is doomed to die | Verge

    I used the ‘cheat on everything’ AI tool and it didn’t help me cheat on anything | Verge

    Hideo Kojima sees Death Stranding 2 as a cautionary tale | Verge

    Apple heard your complaints about the Liquid Glass | Verge

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  33. How SharkNinja took over the home

    7 juli 2025 · 1 uur 24 min

    Afspelen
    It’s summertime, which means it’s time for our annual grilling episode. In years past we’ve talked to the leaders of Big Green Egg, Traeger, and Blackstone, and it’s always fascinating how those companies have all the same kinds of problems and ideas as any of the tech companies we have on the show. Lees meer

    This time, I finally had the opportunity to sit down with SharkNinja CEO Mark Barrocas. We’ve wanted to have SharkNinja on the show for years now, mostly because it has the best name of any company I think we’ve ever had on Decoder — it perfectly describes the structure of the company. And just in time for our grilling episode, the Ninja division of Mark’s business just launched its first ever grill.

    Check out the full transcript here on The Verge.

    Links:

    Ninja announces its first ever propane grill with the FlexFlame | Tom’s Guide

    How SharkNinja became a viral marketing machine | Ad Age

    How airfryer brand SharkNinja became a $1bn UK household name | The Sunday Times

    Mark Zuckerberg just declared war on the entire advertising industry | Verge

    Dyson, SharkNinja settle patent lawsuits over bagless vacuums | Bloomberg

    How arson led to a culture reboot at Traeger | Decoder

    Big Green Egg is inviting zoomers to the cult of kamado cooking | Decoder

    How Blackstone became the darling of grill TikTok | Decoder

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  34. Why Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg went to war over WordPress

    30 juni 2025 · 1 uur 9 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Matt Mullenweg, the founder and CEO of Automattic and the public face of WordPress. Last year, Matt essentially went to war, publicly and in the courts, against a hosting company called WP Engine, and there’s been significant fallout at Automattic and the broader WordPress community. Lees meer

    It’s been a long, drawn-out saga. That said, Matt was willing to come on the show and talk through some of this thinking here, why he made some of the decisions he did, and also what he regrets about how some of this went down.

    Links:

    The messy WordPress drama, explained | Verge

    Celebrating 20 Years of Automattic | Automattic

    Matt Mullenweg: ‘WordPress.org just belongs to me’ | Verge

    Automattic offered employees another chance to quit over | Verge

    WordPress owner Automattic is laying off 16 percent of workers | Verge

    Tumblr will move all of its blogs to WordPress | Verge

    Beeper was just acquired by Automattic | Verge

    Automattic acquires relationship manager Clay | TechCrunch

    How WordPress and Tumblr are keeping the internet weird | Decoder

    How to buy a social network, with Tumblr CEO Matt Mullenweg | Decoder

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  35. Hinge CEO Justin McLeod says dating AI chatbots is 'playing with fire'

    23 juni 2025 · 1 uur 3 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Hinge founder and CEO Justin McLeod. Hinge is one of the biggest dating apps in the United States — it’s rivaled only by Tinder, and both are owned by the massive conglomerate Match Group, which has consolidated a huge chunk of the online dating ecosystem. Lees meer

    Justin and I dug into that here, and we also explored some of the thorny issues around AI and dating, Hinge’s monetization, and data privacy in the second Trump administration. This is a fun one, with a whole lot going on. I think you’ll like it.

    Read the full interview transcript here on The Verge.

    Links:

    How We Do Things | Hinge

    Hinge’s First Gen Z Report | Hinge

    Hinge’s new AI feature judges your prompt responses | TechCrunch

    When Cupid Is a prying journalist | NYT / Modern Love

    Tinder CEO Faye Iosotaluno to step down in July | CNBC

    Match Group CEO Rascoff to lead struggling Tinder app | WSJ

    Replika CEO says it’s okay if we end up marrying AI chatbots | Decoder

    Apple ordered to keep web links in the App Store | Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  36. Monopoly isn’t a game (with Lina Khan)

    12 juni 2025 · 1 uur 1 min

    Afspelen
    Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. Decoder is on a short summer break right now, but we’ll be back starting June 23 with new episodes, and we’re very excited for what we have on the schedule. Lees meer

    In the meantime, we have an episode from the excellent podcast Stay Tuned with Preet, with host and former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara. Last month, Preet sat down with former FTC Chair Lina Khan for a pretty high-level discussion about antitrust, monopoly power, and the ongoing shift from both political parties in the United States toward more aggressive, bipartisan regulation of Big Tech. I think you’ll find it really interesting.

    Links:

    Stay Tuned with Preet | Apple Podcasts

    Google loses ad tech monopoly case | Verge

    Judge greenlights FTC’s antitrust suit against Amazon | Verge

    Judge rules that Google ‘is a monopolist’ in US antitrust case | Verge

    Illegally fired FTC commissioners on Meta, bribes, and fighting for privacy | Decoder

    The case for breaking up Google has never been stronger | Decoder

    DOJ antitrust chief is ‘overjoyed’ after Google monopoly verdict | Decoder

    DOJ’s Kanter says the antitrust fight against Big Tech is just beginning | Decoder

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  37. Taskrabbit CEO Ania Smith isn’t afraid of AI robots replacing human labor

    9 juni 2025 · 1 uur 8 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Taskrabbit CEO Ania Smith. Taskrabbit is an interesting company; it’s known best for being a platform for hiring people to put together your furniture, so much so that Ikea acquired it in 2017. But Taskrabbit is still operating as a mostly independent company all these years later, and Ania is now in charge of maneuvering a fast-changing labor market during uncertain economic times and a potentially major AI disruption to the workforce on the horizon. Lees meer

    Help us plan for the future of Decoder by filling out a brief survey: voxmedia.com/survey. We’d really appreciate it. Thanks!

    Links:

    Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky wants to build the everything app | Decoder

    Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi is okay with reinventing the bus | Decoder

    Google’s Project Mariner | Google

    Uber is testing a service that lets you hire drivers for chores | Verge

    Taskrabbit CEO on using empathy in leadership | Fortune

    Taskrabbit takes over on-demand moving service Dolly | GeekWire

    Ikea integrates Taskrabbit booking service into checkout | Retail Dive

    TaskRabbit to close its offices, go entirely remote | MarketWatch

    IKEA has bought TaskRabbit | TechCrunch

    Taskrabbit CEO: People will still power an AI workforce | Verge

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  38. Why Runway CEO Cris Valenzuela thinks AI filmmaking is the future

    5 juni 2025 · 53 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Runway CEO and co-founder Cris Valenzuela. This one’s special: Cris and I were live at an event in New York City last month hosted by Alix Partners, so you’ll hear the audience from time to time. Lees meer

    Runway is a leading AI video generation platform, and it’s getting better all the time. That puts Cris and his company on the same collision course with creators, artists, and copyright law as every other part of the AI industry — and you’ll hear Cris and I really get into all that here.

    Links:

    AMC Networks inks deal with AI company Runway | Hollywood Reporter

    We made a film with AI. You’ll be blown away — and freaked out | WSJ

    Mark Zuckerberg just declared war on the entire advertising industry | Verge

    Runway says its latest AI video model can generate consistent scenes, people | Verge

    Runway releases an impressive new video-generating AI model | TechCrunch

    Runway Trained on Thousands of YouTube Videos Without Permission | 404 Media

    Runway partners with Lionsgate to train on its catalog of video | Verge

    AI companies lose bid to dismiss parts of visual artists' copyright case | Reuters

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  39. Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky wants to build the everything app

    2 juni 2025 · 1 uur 14 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky. This is Brian’s fourth time on the show, and he’s one of my favorite guests because he’s so clearly obsessed with things like company structure, design, and decision making. You know, Decoder stuff. Lees meer

    This time, Brian came on to talk about the company’s new services product and the full-scale redesign and rebuild of the Airbnb app to support these broader ambitions. There’s a lot of fun, very Decoder-y stuff in this one. Read the full transcript here on The Verge.

    Links:

    Airbnb’s new app has all of your vacation extras in one place | Verge

    “Flat design is over” | Brian Chesky

    Airbnb Is in midlife crisis mode | Wired

    He revolutionized travel. Can Airbnb’s founder redesign your entire life? | WSJ

    Airbnb’s CEO explains how he helped Sam Altman during OpenAI fiasco | Fast Company

    A conversation with Airbnb’s Brian Chesky | Figma

    Jony Ive is bringing his design talents to Airbnb | Verge

    Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky on what founder mode really means | Decoder

    Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky is taking it back to basics | Decoder

    Why the future of work is the future of travel, with Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky | Decoder

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    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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  40. How private equity kills companies and communities

    29 mei 2025 · 49 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with journalist Megan Greenwell about her new book Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream. It comes out June 10th. It's fantastic and maddening in equal measure. I highly recommend it. Lees meer

    In this episode, we discussed the genesis of Megan’s interest in the subject and its genesis in media — including her time as editor-in-chief of the website Deadspin, which underwent a very public PE takeover of its parent company. We also talk a lot about the healthcare industry, another major pillar of Megan’s book. I'm excited to hear what you think of this one.

    Links:

    Bad Company | HarperCollins

    Private equity bought out your doctor and bankrupted Toys ‘R’ Us | Decoder

    Private equity Is gutting America — and getting away with it | NYT

    I was fired from Deadspin for refusing to ‘stick to sports’ | NYT

    Will private equity be the next ‘Big Short’? | Marketplace

    The profit-obsessed monster destroying American ERs | Vox

    Why your vet bill is so high | The Atlantic

    The investment firms leave behind a barren wasteland’ | Politico

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinde
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  41. Google CEO Sundar Pichai on the next phase of AI

    27 mei 2025 · 46 min

    Afspelen
    In what's become a bit of a Decoder tradition, I spoke with Google CEO Sundar Pichai in person after I/O. The conference this year was all about AI, particularly a slew of actual AI products, not just models and capabilities. Lees meer

    To Sundar, this marks the beginning of a new era for search and the web overall. So I had to ask: what happens to the web when AI tools and eventually agents do most of the browsing for us? It was a very Decoder conversation. Read the full transcript here.

    Links:

    Help us plan the future of Decoder! | AUDIENCE SURVEY

    The 15 biggest announcements at Google I/O 2025 | Verge

    We tried on Google’s prototype AI smart glasses | Verge

    AI Mode is obviously the future of Google Search | Verge

    News publishers call Google’s AI Mode ‘theft’ | Verge

    Details leak about Jony Ive’s OpenAI device | Verge

    DOJ says Google must sell Chrome to crack open monopoly | Verge

    Google Zero is here — now what? | Verge

    Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi is okay reinventing the bus | Decoder

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  42. Why Uber's CEO is okay with reinventing the bus

    22 mei 2025 · 1 uur 3 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi. We recorded this conversation on the same day Uber announced a big set of product updates, including new options for shared rides. Dara was in New York for all that, so he came to our studio and we did this one together, which always makes for a great episode. Lees meer

    If you’ve been listening to Decoder recently, you know that I’m very curious about how service apps like Uber will handle things like AI agents. Dara had a lot of thoughts there. There’s a lot in this one, and Dara didn’t hold back. I think you’re going to like it.

    Links:

    Uber’s new bus-like feature is nearly 50 percent cheaper than UberX | Verge

    An interview with Dara Khosrowshahi | Stratechery

    Uber preps for Waymo’s robotaxi launch in Atlanta | Verge

    Uber ends year in the black for the first time ever | Verge

    Uber’s not out of the woods yet | Verge

    UberX Share brings carpooling back to NYC and eight other cities | Verge

    Uber CEO vows to be ‘hardcore’ about costs, slow hiring | Verge

    Transcript

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  43. Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI can save the web, not destroy it

    19 mei 2025 · 1 uur 11 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Kevin Scott, the chief technology officer of Microsoft, and one of the company’s AI leaders. Kevin is one of my favorite repeat Decoder guests, and he joined the show this time to talk about the future of search. Lees meer

    Microsoft just announced an open-source tool for websites to integrate AI powered natural language search with just a little bit of effort, in a way that lets them actually run whatever models they want and keep control of their data. I saw some demos before Kevin and I chatted, and the improvements over the bad local search on most sites was obvious. So we talked about what this will mean for AI, for search engines, and for the future of the web.

    Links:

    Microsoft’s plan to fix the web: letting every website run AI search for cheap | Verge

    Microsoft Build 2025: news and announcements from the developer conference | Verge

    Introducing the Model Context Protocol | Anthropic

    Copyright Office head fired after reporting AI training isn’t always fair use | Ars Technica

    Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI and art will coexist in the future | Decoder

    Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott thinks Sydney might make a comeback | Decoder

    Microsoft’s CTO explains how AI can help health care in the US right now | Vergecast

    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/669409

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  44. Workday's new product head hopes he can make you like Workday

    15 mei 2025 · 1 uur 14 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Gerrit Kazmaier, the brand-new president of product and technology at Workday. Gerrit’s new on the job, maybe a little bit braver than most, and to his credit he came on the show and took the heat. We spent a lot of time talking about what enterprise software really is, what it does and why it has a reputation of being so deeply frustrating for so many people. Lees meer

    Links:

    Workday names Gerrit Kazmaier president of product and technology | Workday

    AI Index Report | Stanford HAI

    IBM AI Study | IBM

    How generative AI will impact the future of work | Workday

    Workday launches platform for companies to manage all of their AI agents | TechCrunch

    Everyone hates Workday | Business Insider

    Judge: Workday must face novel AI bias lawsuit | Reuters

    Workday lays off 1,750, 8.5% of employees, in AI push | Associated Press

    Why Workday's CEO made a layoff decision to invest in AI | FastCompany

    Transcript: https://www.theverge.com/e/667538

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  45. Did Apple get too big for its own good?

    12 mei 2025 · 1 uur 19 min

    Afspelen
    We’re doing something a little different today — I asked my friend John Gruber of Daring Fireball to come on the show and talk about the future of Apple, and, importantly, the App Store. I wanted to talk about the most recent ruling in the Epic v. Apple legal saga. Lees meer

    But I also wanted to talk about the big picture at Apple, and why the company seems to have found itself being hammered on all sides: by the developers that feel it’s become too greedy, by federal court judges that no longer trust it, and by regulators now threatening some of its major cash cows.

    Links:

    Judge rules, in excoriating decision, that Apple violated 2021 order | Daring Fireball

    Steve Jobs’ response on Section 3.3.1 | Tao Effect Blog

    Epic submitted Fortnite to Apple | Verge

    Eddy Cue is fighting to save Apple’s $20 billion paycheck from Google | Verge

    Epic is offering developers an alternative to Apple’s in-app purchases | Verge

    Epic says Fortnite is coming back to iOS in the US | Verge

    Apple files appeal to wrest back control of its App Store | Verge

    ‘Cook chose poorly’: how Apple blew up its control over the App Store | Verge

    Apple changes App Store rules to allow external purchases | Verge

    Existential thoughts about Apple’s reliance on Services revenue | Six Colors

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  46. Reuters is ready to stand up for the press — and embrace AI

    8 mei 2025 · 1 uur 6 min

    Afspelen
    Today, I’m talking with Paul Bascobert, who is the president of Reuters, as part of a special Thursday series we’re running this month to explore how leaders at some world’s biggest companies make decisions in such a rapidly changing environment. Reuters is a great company for us to kick off with, because it’s been around since 1851, when the hot technology enabling mass media was the telegraph. Lees meer

    Here, today, in 2025, the tech driving media has clearly changed more than a little bit. Distribution in a world full of iPhones and generative AI is a really different proposition than distributing media 50 years before the invention of the radio. So there’s a lot here, and you’ll hear Paul and I get deep into basically every Decoder theme there is.

    Links:

    The Trust Principles | Reuters

    Brendan Carr’s FCC is an anti-consumer, rights-trampling harassment machine | Verge

    AP wins reinstatement to White House events | AP

    NYT publisher AG Sulzberger on Trump, OpenAI and the economy | Channels

    Dow Jones CEO Almar Latour on AI, press freedom, and the future of news | Decoder

    Platforms need the news — but they’re killing it | Decoder

    Why The Atlantic signed a deal with OpenAI | Decoder

    Platformer’s Casey Newton on surviving the great media collapse | Decoder

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  47. NYT publisher AG Sulzberger on Trump, OpenAI, and the economy

    5 mei 2025 · 1 uur 7 min

    Afspelen
    Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. We’re off today, but we’ll be back Thursday, so stay tuned. In the meantime, we have an excellent episode from Business Insider Chief Correspondent Peter Kafka, who hosts the media podcast Channels. Lees meer

    In this episode, Peter sat down with one of the biggest names in journalism: New York Times publisher AG Sulzberger. It’s a fascinating conversation that covers some of the most pressing issues facing journalism and the news business today. We think you’ll like it.

    Links:

    NYT publisher AG Sulzberger on Trump, OpenAI and the economy | Channels

    New York Times Reports 350,000 Additional Digital Subscribers | NYT

    IGN and CNET owner Ziff Davis sues OpenAI | Verge

    The New York Times is suing OpenAI and Microsoft for copyright infringement | Verge

    Dow Jones CEO Almar Latour on AI, press freedom, and the future of news | Decoder

    Platforms need the news — but they’re killing it | Decoder

    Why The Atlantic signed a deal with OpenAI | Decoder

    Platformer’s Casey Newton on surviving the great media collapse | Decoder

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  48. What Trump has broken in 100 days

    1 mei 2025 · 48 min

    Afspelen
    A lot has happened in the first 100 days of Trump's second term. It’s nearly too much to keep up with, really, but we're going to try. Verge policy editor Adi Robertson joins Decoder this week to talk through six of the biggest stories and themes we're covering, from tariffs to TikTok to DOGE. Lees meer

    Links:

    Donald Trump’s first 100 days: all the news affecting the tech industry | Verge

    The DOGE days have just begun | Verge

    America is living in tariff limbo | Verge

    MAGA’s next wave of influencers saved TikTok | Verge

    Whatever happened to the Kids’ Online Safety Act? | Verge

    Brendan Carr’s FCC is an anti-consumer, rights-trampling harassment machine | Verge

    Environmental warning systems are suffering from Trump’s data purge | Verge

    Why Trump can’t be trusted with Congress’ new anti-deepfake bill | Decoder

    How Trump’s tariffs actually work on the ground | Decoder

    The FCC is a weapon in Trump’s war on free speech | Decoder

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  49. Decoder Live: Fired FTC commissioners fight back

    28 april 2025 · 55 min

    Afspelen
    A few days ago, I hosted a panel with FTC commissioners Rebecca Slaughter and Alvaro Bedoya at the IAPP Global Privacy Summit in Washington, DC. We recorded the discussion, and we’re bringing it to you today. Lees meer

    Normal Decoder stuff, but these are anything but normal times. Becca and Alvaro were FTC commissioners until very recently, when President Donald Trump fired them — but he doesn't have that legal authority. They’re suing to get their jobs back, and they’re prepared to go all the way to SCOTUS if they have to.

    Links:

    Trump fires Democratic FTC commissioners | The Verge

    Fired FTC commissioners sue Trump | The Verge

    The case for breaking up Google has never been stronger | The Verge

    The government doesn’t understand Meta | The Verge

    FTC v Meta live: updates from the battle for Instagram, WhatsApp | The Verge

    DOGE has arrived at the FTC | The Verge

    Inside Mark Zuckerberg’s failed negotiations with the FTC | Wall Street Journal

    FTC chair says he’d drop Meta case if lawfully ordered to | The Verge

    Bedoya warns of “corrupting influence of billionaires”| The Verge

    The FTC has enough staff to sue Amazon, after all | The Verge

    Transcript: ⁠https://www.theverge.com/e/657115⁠

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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  50. The case for breaking up Google has never been stronger

    24 april 2025 · 1 uur 8 min

    Afspelen
    Today we’re talking about the very real possibility that Google might be broken up by the United States government. And to do that, I’m talking to Jonathan Kanter, the former assistant attorney general for antitrust under the Biden administration. Kanter left the DOJ after Trump was elected, but he was the architect of the major antitrust cases the Trump administration continues to pursue against Google. That means he’s much more free to share his thoughts on what it took to build and win both of these cases and what should happen next. Lees meer

    Links:

    Google loses ad tech monopoly case | Verge

    Google is in more danger than ever of being broken up | Verge

    OpenAI tells judge it would buy Chrome from Google | Verge

    The high stakes of Google’s monopoly trial | Verge

    DOJ says Google must sell Chrome to crack open search monopoly | Verge

    Google makes history with rapid-fire antitrust losses | NYT

    Read the antitrust ruling against Google | NYT

    Google ad monopoly ruling's surprise winner: OpenAI | Axios

    DOJ antitrust chief is ‘overjoyed’ after Google monopoly verdict | Decoder

    DOJ’s Kanter says the antitrust fight against Big Tech is just beginning | Decoder

    Credits:

    Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
    Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.
    The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.
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