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The NN/G UX Podcast is a podcast on user experience research, design, strategy, and professions, hosted by Senior User Experience Specialist Therese Fessenden. Join us every month as she interviews industry experts, covering common questions, hot takes on pressing UX topics, and tips for building truly great user experiences. For free UX resources, references, and information on UX Certification opportunities, go to: www.nngroup.com
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Specs Are The New Source Code (feat. Thomas Watkins, NN/G Guest Instructor)
19 oktober 2026 · 41 min
AI has made building software easy. Deciding what to build is another story. When founders and product teams can vibe-code a working product in a weekend, where does design add value? In this episode, Therese Fessenden welcomes back design psychologist Thomas Watkins, founder of 3Leaf and NN/G guest instructor, to talk about why the bottleneck in product development has shifted from building to deciding, how specs are becoming the source of truth for AI-built products, and why taste and research matter more than ever. Lees meer
About Thomas & 3Leaf: LinkedIn | 3Leaf
The Design Psychologist Podcast: https://designpsychologist.buzzsprout.com/2395044
Thomas's Previous Episode: 57. The Next Decade of UX: Why Psychology Matters More Than Ever
Thomas's Course with NN/g: Writing Specs for AI-Built Products
Other Related NN/g Articles & Courses:
UX-Context Design: Using UX Knowledge to Inform AI-Generated Design
Prompt to Design Interfaces: Why Vague Prompts Fail and How to Fix Them
GenUI vs. Vibe Coding: Who's Designing?
Good from Afar, But Far from Good: AI Prototyping in Real Design Contexts
Context Architecture
Context Libraries: How AI Power Users Manage Context Engineering
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Stop Wasting Research (feat. Jake Burghardt & Laura Klein)
16 september 2026 · 28 min
If you've ever wrapped up a great research study, delivered the readout, and then watched the insights vanish into a folder no one opens again, this one's for you. Laura Klein talks with Jake Burghardt, author of Stop Wasting Research, about why a repository alone never gets research used, how to treat insights as durable business assets instead of one-time reports, and where generative AI genuinely helps — and where it doesn't — when it comes to getting more value out of research your organization already has. Lees meer
About Jake Burghardt & Integrating Research: LinkedIn | Medium | Integrating Research
Jake's book: Stop Wasting Research: Maximize the Product Impact of Your Organization's Customer Insights (Rosenfeld Media) — get 20% off with code: swr-pod
Related NN/G Articles & Courses:
Why Research Repositories Fail and How to Get Them Right
Research Repositories for Tracking UX Research and Growing Your ResearchOps
ResearchOps 101
Accelerating Research with AI
Course: Usability Testing
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Rejected to Hired: Surviving the UX Job Hunt
12 augustus 2026 · 36 min
Job searching has always been harder than it looks, and if you've been searching for a while without much traction, there's a good chance your strategy is working against you. Guest host Laura Klein sits down with Sarah Doody, founder of the Career Strategy Lab, to talk about what UX practitioners get wrong when searching for work. Lees meer
They cover:
Why the DIY approach tanks your confidence over time
How to treat yourself as a candidate-product — complete with features, benefits, and a roadmap
The role of community in the job search
what your LinkedIn is actually signaling to recruiters
Why some of the best UX opportunities are hiding in industries you've never considered.
About Sarah Doody | Bio | LinkedIn
Career Strategy Lab (Website)
Career Strategy Lab Podcast
Follow Sarah on Instagram
Related NN/G Articles & Episodes:
EP 59 | Getting Hired in UX: What to Do When Apply-and-Wait Isn't Enough (with Evan Sunwall)
EP 53 | Why You’re Not Getting Job Interviews (with Hang Xu)
Ep 19 | Designing a UX Career (with Sarah Doody)
UX Layoff Crisis: A Guide for Resilience and Recovery
Templates and Tools for UX Job Seekers
Growing in Your UX Career: Study Guide
Try One of Our Courses
Successful UX Job Searching (Self-Paced)
Hiring UX Talent (Self-Paced)
Becoming a UX Consultant: Launch Your Practice (Self-Paced)
Storytelling to Present UX Work (Live Online)
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Why Most Teams Get Goal-Setting Wrong (feat. Christina Wodtke) | EP 62
8 juli 2026 · 28 min
OKRs are a popular choice to communicate team goals… but most teams do them wrong. In this episode, Laura Klein talks with Christina Wodtke, author of Radical Focus, about what actually makes objectives and key results work: the weekly and quarterly rituals that keep goals alive, why psychological safety matters more than making perfect predictions, and how strategy and vision have to exist before you can even set an OKR in the first place. Lees meer
About Christina Wodtke: LinkedIn | Eleganthack (blog) | Books by Christina Wodtke
Other Related NN/g Articles & Courses:
Aligning UX Metrics with Organizational Goals: A Workshop Guide
Crossfunctional Collaboration: Challenges and Strategies for Success
Project Postmortems for UX Teams: Learning from Success and Failure
Lean UX & Agile: Study Guide
Psychology for UX: Study Guide
Course: Lean UX and Agile
Course: Leading Highly Effective UX Teams
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Incorruptible: How Great Companies Stay Great with Eric Ries
26 mei 2026 · 38 min
Most UX practitioners have spent their careers fighting for the user — pushing back against dark patterns, advocating for quality, and insisting that making things better for people is also better for the business. Eric Ries would say that instinct is exactly right. And that it's not enough. Lees meer
In this episode, host Laura Klein talks with Eric Ries — New York Times Best Selling Author of The Lean Startup and founder of the Long Term Stock Exchange — about his new book, Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad...and How Great Companies Stay Great. Eric makes the case that most of today's business best practices are actively value-destroying, and that the builders, designers, and makers who already believe product quality matters are more revolutionary than they realize — they just lack the tools to protect that belief inside their organizations.
They dig into the history of shareholder primacy, why corporate governance is something every practitioner should understand, and the very specific questions you can ask in a job interview to find out whether a company is genuinely mission-driven or just mission-hopeful.
About Eric Ries | Linkedin
The Eric Ries Show
Incorruptible (New Book) - Available Now!
The Lean Start Up (Book)
Related NN/G Articles & Videos
UX Stakeholder Engagement 101
Deceptive Patterns in UX: How to Recognize and Avoid Them
Four Factors in UX Maturity
UX Maturity Is a Living System, Not a Ladder
UXers Need to Think Like Product Leaders
Try One of Our Courses
→ Becoming a UX Strategist (Live Online)→ Successful Stakeholder Relationships (Live Online)→ Lean UX and Agile (Live Online)→ Demonstrating UX Value (Self-Paced)→ UX Maturity: Elevating Organizational UX Practices (Self-Paced)
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60. Conversational Design and UI: Why Language Matters More Than Ever
29 april 2026 · 45 min
What does it actually mean to design conversationally? Not "add a chatbot" — but genuinely apply the principles of human conversation to the systems we build? Lees meer
In this episode, host Laura Klein sits down with Erika Hall, author of Conversational Design and Just Enough Research, to re-visit a topic that's only gotten more relevant since her book came out in 2018. They dig into why language has always been an important part of any interface, what the cooperative principle of conversation can teach us about interaction design, and how the current AI moment is muddying what "conversational" even means.
Erika also makes a sharp distinction between AI that solves real problems and AI that performs work — and offers a theory about why so many people are reaching for answer machines right now. Plus: why the best consulting advice is often just "you have to talk to each other," the role of domain expertise in getting anything useful out of an LLM, and what painting chickens has to do with learning to see.
About Erika Hall | LinkedIn | Bluesky
Her Studio - Mule Design
Conversational Design
Just Enough Research
Related NN/G Articles:
AI Chatbots Discourage Error Checking
Designing AI Products and Features: Study Guide
Sycophancy in Generative-AI Chatbots
AI Features Must Solve Real User Problems
Try One of Our Courses
→ Designing AI Experiences (Live Online)
→ The Human Mind and Usability (Live Online)
→ Understanding LLMs (Self-Paced)
→ Informative Microcopy (Self-Paced)
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59. Getting Hired in UX: What to Do When Apply-and-Wait Isn't Enough
1 april 2026 · 38 min
Navigating the UX job market has always had its ups and downs, especially with AI reshaping the industry. In this episode, host Laura Klein sits down with Evan Sunwall, NN/G's Director of Self-Paced Training, to share candid advice for UX practitioners trying to actively job search or level up in today's competitive market. With nearly 19 years in the field as both a designer and a hiring manager, he has a lot to say about where the field is headed — no matter what stage you're at in your career. Lees meer
That experience is also what shaped Evan's self-paced course on getting a job in UX, part of NN/G's new and growing library of practical, pre-recorded courses built around real skill gaps. Evan was one of the first to help develop the format — running experiments and prototypes to figure out what actually works for self-directed learners.
Evan also previews a companion course aimed at hiring managers and shares that he's looking for sharp instructors to help expand the library into new topics across research, design, and AI.
Check out our NEW Self-Paced Courses!
About Evan Sunwall | Bio | Linkedin
Successful UX Job Searching (Course)
Hiring UX Talent (Course)
Free NN/G Articles:
How to Apply and Secure a UX Job
Advice for Approaching a UX Job Search
Templates and Tools for UX Job Seekers
Preparation Tactics for a Tough UX Job Market
Growing in Your UX Career: Study Guide
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58. The Truth About Lean & Agile (Feat. Principal Experience Specialist, Laura Klein)
25 februari 2026 · 42 min
If you work in UX, you’ve probably heard the terms lean, Agile, and MVP more times than you can count. But knowing the terms doesn’t mean knowing how to make them work. Lees meer
In this episode, Laura Klein, Principal Experience Specialist at NN/G, joins Therese Fessenden to talk about what Lean UX was really meant to accomplish — and how teams today can apply its principles without falling into common traps.
Listen as they discuss how Lean UX came about, the skill of zooming between product vision and interaction details, and why growing companies struggle to balance speed and consistency. Whether you’re working at a startup or inside a large enterprise, this episode offers a grounded look at how to design thoughtfully in fast-moving environments.
We’re also excited to have Laura join as the newest co-host of the NN/G UX Podcast. And many congratulations to the Fessenden family as they welcome a new addition to their family.
About Laura Klein | Bio | Linkedin | Bluesky | Usersknow.com
What is Wrong With UX (Podcast)
Build Better Products (Book)
UX for Lean Startups (Book)
NN/G Live Online Courses Taught by Laura
Lean UX and Agile
Product & UX: Building Partnerships for Better Outcomes
All Our Live Courses
Free NN/G Articles & Videos
Lean UX & Agile: Study Guide
Lean UX & Agile Glossary
What is Lean UX?
Accounting for User Research in Agile
Why Organizations Don’t Do User Research and How to Change That
Why Most Product Teams Aren't Really Empowered
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57. The Next Decade of UX: Why Psychology Matters More Than Ever (Feat. Thomas Watkins, Founder & Principal UX Architect at 3Leaf)
28 januari 2026 · 50 min
Therese Fessenden talks with design psychologist and product strategist Thomas Watkins (host of The Design Psychologist and Product-Led Growth Leaders) about why understanding the human mind is still a true superpower for designers, researchers, and product teams. They explore how products subtly shape our behavior and identity, why over-relying on templates and patterns can flatten experiences instead of differentiating them, the risks of personifying AI tools, and the practical ways practitioners can use psychology and AI together to automate the tedious parts of work while staying human-centered and creating products that truly fit into people’s lives. Lees meer
About Thomas Watkins: Bio | LinkedIn
The Design Psychologist Podcast
Product-Led Growth Leaders Podcast
3Leaf Consulting (Thomas’ Design Team)
Related Live Online Training: The Human Mind & Usability
Free NN/g Study Guides & Articles:
Psychology Study Guide
Humanizing AI Is a Trap
The ELIZA Effect: Why We Love AI
The 4 Degrees of Anthropomorphism of Generative AI
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56. AI for UX Analysis: How Accurate Is It? (feat. Christian Holst & Jamie Holst, Baymard Institute)
19 december 2025 · 1 uur 6 min
As AI-powered tools flood the market promising quick evaluations and audits, the conversation zeroes in on a critical issue: the reliability of these tools. In this episode, co-hosts Therese Fessenden and NN/G VP Kate Moran sit down with Jamie Holst and Christian Holst, the co-founders of Baymard Institute, to examine the growing role of AI in UX analysis. The group discusses the risks of over-relying on AI—particularly for junior UX practitioners—and the deeper implications for professionalism in the field. Lees meer
About the speakers:
Christian Holst (Co-founder & Research Director, Baymard Institute)
Jamie Holst (Co-founder & CTO, Baymard Institute)
Kate Moran (VP, NN/G)
Links Referenced in the Episode:
Try UX Ray for Free: https://baymard.com/product/ux-ray
Read their article on AI accuracy: https://baymard.com/blog/ai-heuristic-evaluations
Related NN/G Courses:
Accelerating Research with AI
AI for Design Workflows
Designing AI Experiences
AI Product Strategy
Check out ALL of our courses at nngroup.com/learning
Related NN/G Articles:
AI Hallucinations: What Designers Need to Know
AI-Powered Tools for UX Research: Issues and Limitations
AI as a UX Assistant
AI Chatbots Discourage Error Checking
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