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1. 286: Donna Jackson Nakazawa: How to Stop Ruminating

   2 november 2026 · 51 min

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   Can’t stop replaying what you wish you had said to someone instead? Or maybe your inner monologue won’t stop asking, "What did they mean by that comment?” Our guest today explains the function of our mental ruminations and how to stop them. Donna Jackson Nakazawa is an award-winning science journalist, and in her new book Mind Drama: The Science of Rumination and How to Outwit Your Inner Defeatist, she shares what to do when your thoughts start spiraling. Lees meer

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2. 285: Unabridged interview: Iain McGilchrist (Part 1)

   30 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 34 min

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   This is Part 1 of our unabridged interview with Iain McGilchrist. Lees meer

   Modernity has helped us to use the world. We have reduced it to resources to extract, data to process, problems to solve. While it has made us powerful, it has also left the world feeling flat, and left us feeling eerily like machines ourselves.

   Dr. Iain McGilchrist says this reduction is a habit of attention, and it has everything to do with the two hemispheres of the brain. One half grasps, isolates, and uses. The other holds things together, sees the whole, and senses what is alive. He argues that we've been handing the world over to the grasping side of the brain. A psychiatrist and neuroscientist who began as a literary scholar and once considered entering a monastery, Iain has spent 35 years studying how these two ways of attending shape the world we experience.

   The good news is that our attention can change. From his eighteenth-century home on the Isle of Skye, he invites us to see the world anew. As something living, met in an encounter that leaves neither side unchanged.

   This is part three of The Ache: The Longing Modernity Couldn't Cure, a three-part No Small Endeavor series.

   This project was made possible through the support of a grant from Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc funder DOI 501100011730) through grant ⁠https://doi.org/10.54224/35684⁠. The opinions expressed in this publication are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc.

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3. 285: Unabridged interview: Iain McGilchrist (Part 2)

   30 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 23 min

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   This is Part 2 of our unabridged interview with Iain McGilchrist. Lees meer

   Modernity has helped us to use the world. We have reduced it to resources to extract, data to process, problems to solve. While it has made us powerful, it has also left the world feeling flat, and left us feeling eerily like machines ourselves.

   Dr. Iain McGilchrist says this reduction is a habit of attention, and it has everything to do with the two hemispheres of the brain. One half grasps, isolates, and uses. The other holds things together, sees the whole, and senses what is alive. He argues that we've been handing the world over to the grasping side of the brain. A psychiatrist and neuroscientist who began as a literary scholar and once considered entering a monastery, Iain has spent 35 years studying how these two ways of attending shape the world we experience.

   The good news is that our attention can change. From his eighteenth-century home on the Isle of Skye, he invites us to see the world anew. As something living, met in an encounter that leaves neither side unchanged.

   This is part three of The Ache: The Longing Modernity Couldn't Cure, a three-part No Small Endeavor series.

   This project was made possible through the support of a grant from Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc funder DOI 501100011730) through grant ⁠⁠https://doi.org/10.54224/35684⁠⁠. The opinions expressed in this publication are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc.

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4. The Subtext: Savannah Wants You To Love Brandon Flowers’ THRASHER As Much As She Does

   28 oktober 2026 · 56 min

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   It's the day we've all (mostly Savannah's) been waiting for. This week, Lee and Savannah do a deep dive into Brandon Flowers’ THRASHER! Lees meer

   It's a record about belonging and nostalgia, and it was recorded live in Nashville by some of the greats. It's unexpectedly profound, and, in the end, Savannah just wants you to love this record as much as she does.

   Things we mentioned in this episode:

   Brandon Flowers' THRASHER

   Jackson Browne's The Pretender

   Sinners movie Dir. Ryan Coogler

   Against the Machine by Paul Kingsnorth

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5. 285: Iain McGilchrist: Why the World Feels Flat (The Ache, Pt. 3)

   26 oktober 2026 · 50 min

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   Modernity has helped us to use the world. We have reduced it to resources to extract, data to process, problems to solve. While it has made us powerful, it has also left the world feeling flat, and left us feeling eerily like machines ourselves. Lees meer

   Dr. Iain McGilchrist says this reduction is a habit of attention, and it has everything to do with the two hemispheres of the brain. One half grasps, isolates, and uses. The other holds things together, sees the whole, and senses what is alive. He argues that we've been handing the world over to the grasping side of the brain. A psychiatrist and neuroscientist who began as a literary scholar and once considered entering a monastery, Iain has spent 35 years studying how these two ways of attending shape the world we experience.

   The good news is that our attention can change. From his eighteenth-century home on the Isle of Skye, he invites us to see the world anew. As something living, met in an encounter that leaves neither side unchanged.

   This is part three of The Ache: The Longing Modernity Couldn't Cure, a three-part No Small Endeavor series.

   This project was made possible through the support of a grant from Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc funder DOI 501100011730) through grant ⁠⁠https://doi.org/10.54224/35684⁠⁠. The opinions expressed in this publication are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc.

   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources, and Transcript⁠ for abridged episode with Iain McGilchrist

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6. 284: Unabridged Interview: Alister McGrath

   23 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 17 min

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   This is our unabridged interview with Alister McGrath. Lees meer

   Science can explain the world in an incredibly helpful way, but scientific facts alone can't tell us what our lives are for. In a world shaped by modernity, it can be wildly tempting to chuck religion altogether. But with science alone, we end up in what Max Weber called the iron cage: a world fully explained, but emptied of meaning.

   Dr. Alister McGrath grew up in Belfast during the Troubles, amidst conflict across political and religious lines. He became an aggressive Marxist atheist, convinced that religion caused violence and science had made it obsolete. Then, as a chemistry student at Oxford, he met brilliant scientists who believed in God. He then wrestled with the fact that he couldn't prove there wasn't a God. He now holds three Oxford doctorates, in molecular biophysics, theology, and intellectual history, and is Emeritus Professor of Science and Religion at Oxford.

   For McGrath, faith became a reason to value science even more. This is part two of The Ache: The Longing Modernity Couldn't Cure, a three-part No Small Endeavor series.

   This project was made possible through the support of a grant from Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc funder DOI 501100011730) through grant ⁠https://doi.org/10.54224/35684⁠. The opinions expressed in this publication are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc.

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7. The Subtext: Aslan is a Woman…Should You Care?

   21 oktober 2026 · 48 min

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   Meryl Streep is the voice of Aslan in Greta Gerwig's Narnia adaptation. Is this a threat to Christian orthodoxy or another culture-war distraction? Lees meer

   This week on The Subtext, Savannah and Lee discuss the casting controversy and dive into bigger questions about gender and how we imagine God. From C.S. Lewis' POV to feminine depictions of God in Scripture and church history, they explore what Christian humility, artistic freedom, and a more faithful public witness might look like.

   Things we mentioned in this episode:

   NARNIA: THE MAGICIAN’S NEPHEW | Official Trailer

   Hillbilly Thomists on No Small Endeavor

   Stephen Wilson Jr. - "billy"

   “Why You Should Care That Aslan is a Woman” by Liel Leibovitz

   Priestesses in the Church? by C.S. Lewis

   The Incomprehensibility of God and the Image of God Male and Female by Elizabeth A. Johnson

   William Paul Young on No Small Endeavor

   The Shack by William Paul Young

   Finding Darwin's God by Kenneth R. Miller

   The Crucifixion of the Warrior God by Gregory A. Boyd

   Cross Vision: How the Crucifixion of Jesus Makes Sense of Old Testament Violence by Gregory A. Boyd

   Where's Mommy - Gregory Boyd

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8. 284: Alister McGrath: Science and Faith Were Never at War (The Ache, Pt. 2)

   19 oktober 2026 · 51 min

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   Science can explain the world in an incredibly helpful way, but scientific facts alone can't tell us what our lives are for. In a world shaped by modernity, it can be wildly tempting to chuck religion altogether. But with science alone, we end up in what Max Weber called the iron cage: a world fully explained, but emptied of meaning. Lees meer

   Dr. Alister McGrath grew up in Belfast during the Troubles, amidst conflict across political and religious lines. He became an aggressive Marxist atheist, convinced that religion caused violence and science had made it obsolete. Then, as a chemistry student at Oxford, he met brilliant scientists who believed in God. He then wrestled with the fact that he couldn't prove there wasn't a God. He now holds three Oxford doctorates, in molecular biophysics, theology, and intellectual history, and is Emeritus Professor of Science and Religion at Oxford.

   For McGrath, faith became a reason to value science even more. This is part two of The Ache: The Longing Modernity Couldn't Cure, a three-part No Small Endeavor series.

   This project was made possible through the support of a grant from Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc funder DOI 501100011730) through grant ⁠⁠https://doi.org/10.54224/35684⁠⁠. The opinions expressed in this publication are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of Templeton World Charity Foundation, Inc.

   ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Show Notes, Resources, and Transcript⁠ for abridged episode with Alister McGrath⁠

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9. 283: Unabridged Interview: Belle Tindall-Riley

   16 oktober 2026 · 1 uur 23 min

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   This is our unabridged interview with Belle Tindall-Riley. Lees meer

   Institutional religion is off the menu for many these days. But walk to the edge of the Glastonbury music festival, and you'll find a packed field people waiting an hour in line to buy crystals, get tarot readings, and have a sound bath from a healer with singing bowls. Our religious impulses didn’t go away. They just got transferred.

   It seems, consumerism and individualism are so deeply ingrained that we now pay for membership in whatever community we subscribe to. We buy their trinkets, their supplements, and their merch as symbols of our belonging.

   Dr. Belle Tindall-Riley takes the ache underneath all of that seriously. A biblical scholar who spent four years of her doctorate on a single passage, and who grew up in rural Wales lying to her classmates about going to church, she reads each practice like manifesting, tarot, crystals, WitchTok for the true longing beneath it. She examines the limits of a spirituality that always tells you you're doing just fine. You'll come away asking questions of your own spirituality: does it ever tell me no?

   This is part one of The Ache: The Longing Modernity Couldn't Cure, a three-part No Small Endeavor series, recorded around the world from Oxford to the Isle of Skye, about the human ache that secularism can't explain and the new spiritualities that may not be able to fill it.

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10. The Subtext: The Separation of Church & Business

    14 oktober 2026 · 36 min

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    Is a $4,500 networking trip to Mar-a-Lago okay if it's for the kingdom? This week on The Subtext, Lee and Savannah unpack problematic Christian wealth seminars promising financial success for “kingdom impact." They explore the power of proximity, the dangers of “kingdom washing,” and what the early church might have to say about business, debt, and the pursuit of influence. Is Christian language transforming business, or simply baptizing capitalism? Lees meer

    Things we mentioned in this episode:

    Come see Ira Glass on No Small Endeavor Live at the Symphony!

    Friendly Atheist “Christian evangelist defends $4,500 networking trip—and his “need” for luxury hotels”

    Jesus and the Disinherited by Howard Thurman

    The Cross and the Lynching Tree by James H. Cone

    The Gospel of High Yields: Inside Tim Tebow’s Favorite Wealth Seminar

    Poverty by America by Matthew Desmond

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