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22 afleveringen, van nieuw naar oud
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Bonus Episode: Bluete
5 november 2026 · 6 min
English language below
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Selma Selman: Scrap Metal, Labour and Transformation
22 oktober 2026 · 8 min
Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga discuss Selma Selman’s paintings, performances and material language, from portraits on scrapyard metal to Mercedes Matrix and Dirt 0. The conversation follows questions of value, Roma history, visible and overlooked labour, and the ways art changes context without erasing material memory. As Selman puts it: “Transformation is at the core of my practice: scrap metal into gold, stigmatized labour into prestigious labour, incapacity into invention.” Lees meer
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Kubra Khademi: Context, Allegory and Artistic Transformation
8 oktober 2026 · 13 min
This dialogue examines Kubra Khademi’s inversion of Forugh Farrokhzad’s feminist poem in Let us believe in the beginning of the hot season, a project combining gouache drawings, photo collages, and film. Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga discuss the work’s allegory of US–Afghanistan relations, its pandemic collaboration with Daniel Pettrow, and the tension between biography, trauma, context, and artistic execution. They also consider Khademi’s 18kg performance and her contribution to WIR at the German Bundestag. Lees meer
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JeeMin Kim, Seoul and What Remains Unread
30 september 2026 · 8 min
In this solo Art Unquoted Note, Esenija Bannan reflects on her first visit to Seoul, beginning with JeeMin Kim’s Prototype Temples at Hwigyumjae and moving through Frieze Seoul and the city beyond the fair. Kim’s installations bring painting, sound, movement and fragments of memory into temporary worlds. Bannan considers how places shape attention—and how an art scene is made through different speeds, spaces and forms of encounter. Lees meer
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Agnes Martin: Painting with Her Back to the World
24 september 2026 · 8 min
In this dialogue, Charlotte Desaga and Esenija Bannan consider Agnes Martin’s statement, “I paint with my back to the world.” They discuss her turn away from representation, the emotional force of hand-drawn grids and imperfect lines, and the New Mexico works titled With My Back to the World. The conversation asks how Martin’s paintings bring a private, non-visible kind of beauty into view without explaining or justifying it. Lees meer
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Jordan Wolfson: The Practical and the Intuitive
10 september 2026 · 11 min
Charlotte Desaga and Esenija Bannan discuss Jordan Wolfson’s animatronics, robotics and virtual-reality works, focusing on Little Room at Fondation Beyeler. Wolfson says, “I stuff the intuitive inside of the practical.” The conversation follows that tension through Goethe’s idea of intuition, the uncanny body, internet culture and technological aesthetics, asking whether machines can express desire, vulnerability and the mystery of being human. Lees meer
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Rebecca Horn: Energies in Motion
3 september 2026 · 7 min
Charlotte Desaga and Esenija Bannan revisit Rebecca Horn’s statement, “There are energies that grab us from out there, pass through us, and then find their way elsewhere.” They discuss how Horn gave energy mechanical form through trembling machines, used objects, feathers, eggshells, films, and precise movements. The conversation considers melancholy, bodily sensitivity, the relation between body and machine, and the openness of letting forces move through us. Lees meer
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Ohio Architecture and Cinema: Hamilton’s Quiet Presence
27 augustus 2026 · 6 min
Esenija Bannan considers what makes a place cinematic through the architecture and landscapes of Ohio. Moving from Columbus’s modernist landmarks to Hamilton’s brick warehouses and Victorian storefronts, she reflects on buildings that endure without demanding attention. Kelly Reichardt’s The Mastermind, set in Hamilton, becomes a lens for thinking about stillness, loneliness, memory, and the quiet act of truly seeing. Lees meer
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V&A East Storehouse: Curating Freedom
16 juli 2026 · 8 min
Charlotte Desaga visits the V&A East Storehouse in London, a museum model that places a quarter million objects within public reach. Using three objects from the Rhineland—a Roman glass jar, Byzantine silk, and a seventeenth-century stained-glass panel—she considers what is gained when visitors become curators. The Storehouse’s radical openness, she asks, may democratize access while also echoing the logic of a digital marketplace. What happens to surprise, challenge, and discovery when curation gives way to choice? Lees meer
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Cornelia Parker: Beauty, Destruction and the Uncanny
9 juli 2026 · 10 min
Charlotte Desaga and Esenija Bannan discuss Cornelia Parker’s transformation of everyday objects through destruction. From Thirty Pieces of Silver and Cold Dark Matter: An Exploded View to The Maybe and Pornographic Drawings, they consider beauty, violence, psychoanalysis, the uncanny and the viewer’s gaze. Parker’s works turn crushing, explosions and dissolved videotape into new physical and psychological associations. Lees meer
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Harun Farocki: The Real, Constructed, and Predicted Wind
2 juli 2026 · 12 min
Charlotte Desaga and Esenija Bannan discuss Harun Farocki’s “two winds” observation from Parallel I–IV (2012–2014), asking what changes when images no longer trace a physical world but construct one through code. The conversation moves from photography and montage to video games, immersive worlds and AI-generated images, weighing new visual possibilities against simulation’s seductive, opaque power. Farocki’s central proposition: “Computer images do not have two kinds of wind.” Lees meer
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Pierre Huyghe: An Image Is a Situation
28 juni 2026 · 10 min
In this solo Art Unquoted Note, Charlotte Desaga returns to Pierre Huyghe’s UUmwelt at London’s Serpentine Gallery (2018) and his exhibition at Fondation Beyeler in Basel. Huyghe’s proposition—“An image is a situation. Not a photograph. But a situation.”—opens onto flies, ants, reconstructed thoughts, dust, and the viewer’s role in making an image. Drawing on Jakob von Uexküll’s concept of Umwelt, the episode considers perception, multiple realities, and time as something created by living subjects. Lees meer
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Barbara Kasten: Geometry, Light and Perception
25 juni 2026 · 10 min
Barbara Kasten’s photographs are constructed rather than found: mirrors, glass, geometric forms, and colored light converge in carefully staged installations. Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga discuss her photograms, Constructs series, and sustained investigation into perception, connecting her practice to Bauhaus, Chicago architecture, and Plato’s idea of geometry as a structure of reality. The episode considers how a single artistic commitment can evolve across five decades. Lees meer
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Uzbekistan: The Biennale That Was Erased
11 juni 2026 · 7 min
In this solo Art Unquoted Note, Esenija Bannan reflects on returning to Uzbekistan after nearly 24 years to attend the 2013 Tashkent International Biennale of Contemporary Art. She recalls the spectacle surrounding Style.Uz Art Week, its abrupt collapse, and the struggle to get artists’ works home. Connecting that encounter with claims about the later Bukhara Biennial, she asks what remains when cultural infrastructure disappears: “The biennale hadn’t ended. It had been erased.” Lees meer
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Ilit Azoulay: AI, Mary Stuck and the Archive
28 mei 2026 · 10 min
In this dialogue, Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga discuss Ilit Azoulay’s exhibition No Single View at Villa Stuck in Munich. They consider Mary Stuck’s life, the 77 AI-generated actresses in Azoulay’s video installation, and the tension between AI as activation and revelation. The conversation moves through archives, memory, fragmentation and the difficulty of knowing a person completely. Lees meer
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Robert Irwin: Seeing Beyond the Name
14 mei 2026 · 9 min
Robert Irwin devoted his practice to a deceptively simple question: how do we actually see? Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga follow the artist’s movement from painting to sculpture, light installations and site-specific work, where perception becomes an experience rather than an object. They explore the paradox of “forgetting the name of the thing one sees,” the role of language, and Lawrence Weschler’s vivid account of Irwin’s artistic philosophy. Lees meer
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Francis Offman: Materials Form a Language
30 april 2026 · 11 min
Francis Offman works with unstretched canvas, found paper, coffee grounds, and paint—materials that have already lived a life. Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga consider how his vivid, irregular works make labor, consumption, memory, and context visible without fixing their meaning. Born in Rwanda, Offman witnessed the 1994 genocide before migrating to Italy in 1999; here, abstraction becomes a way to express what cannot be represented. Lees meer
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Koyo Kouoh: Slowness, Space and the Signal in the Noise
30 april 2026 · 17 min
In this dialogue, Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga explore the ideas around Koyo Kouoh’s “In Minor Keys” through Venice’s layered artistic history and present. They move from Giotto’s Cappella degli Scrovegni and its enforced slowness to Pierre Huyghe’s Liminal at Punta della Dogana, then consider exhibitions by Marlene Dumas, Damien Hirst and Walton Ford. The conversation asks how architecture, atmosphere and site can help us find “the signal in the noise.” Lees meer
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Koyo Kouoh: Artistic Freedom and Institutional Resistance
28 april 2026 · 19 min
In this dialogue, Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga speak with art consultant Brett Scott about South Africa’s withdrawal from the 2026 Venice Biennale, the cultural ramifications of Israel’s war on Gaza, and the pressures facing African artists on international platforms. They consider Koyo Kouoh’s legacy at Zeitz MOCAA and her vision for “In Minor Keys”: “To shift to a slower gear and tune in to the frequencies of the minor keys.” Lees meer
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Koyo Kouoh: In Minor Keys and the Politics of Slowness
26 april 2026 · 11 min
Charlotte Desaga and Esenija Bannan examine Koyo Kouoh’s vision for the 2026 Venice Biennale through her line: “To shift to a slower gear and tune in to the frequencies of the minor keys.” They consider deceleration, melancholy, quietness and contemplation in contemporary art, asking whether a major international spectacle can genuinely resist noise, competition and market pressure. The conversation also tests whether “minor key” art is open to everyone or risks becoming elitist. Lees meer
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Artists’ Quotes as Bridges: Why Art Unquoted Starts With Words
23 april 2026 · 7 min
Charlotte Desaga and Esenija Bannan examine why Art Unquoted begins with artists’ words in order to approach a profoundly visual world. They consider the quote as a bridge rather than a definitive explanation, tracing the limits of language, the value of the unsayable, and the listener’s role in making a mental cinema. The episode closes with Michelangelo’s “Ancora imparo”—still learning—as a concise statement of the podcast’s shared inquiry. Lees meer
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Introducing Art Unquoted
27 maart 2026 · 1 min
Coming soon. A new podcast exploring the ideas that shape contemporary art hosted by Esenija Bannan and Charlotte Desaga
One quote. Two perspectives. Every two weeks, we dive deep into a single thought-provoking idea. Lees meerArt Unquoted launches April 30th.