Loving You: The Untold Sondheim
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Move On | 'Goodbye for Now' from Sondheim's Friends and Family
21 mei 2026 · 1 uur 31 min
In our series finale, Steve’s loved ones unite ‘one last time’ - retracing the final weeks, days and moments prior to Steve’s passing on November 26th 2021. Recalling final memories and precious encounters, we celebrate not ‘Sondheim The Icon’, but our friend Steve. Lees meer
‘I think we choose our friends. Somehow their presence in your life makes you feel good. Steve made me feel good. And when you embrace a friend, you know if the feeling is real. And I want to believe, anyway, that he knew that.’ – John Kander
Steve’s legendary interpreter Bernadette Peters then joins Martin and PJ to share what Steve has meant to her – and how Steve appeared to Bernadette after his death. But how do Martin and PJ feel about Steve now that their two-year quest to discover The Untold Sondheim has finally reached its conclusion?
‘You’re always there for me. Even though you’re gone. Thank you. Thank you. For you’re always there for me.’ – Bernadette Peters
CHAPTERS
00:00 Maria & PJ: ‘Now you’re on your own’
02:15 A Pageantry of Celebration
06:44 Time Catches Up with Steve
15:14 The Final Meetings
27:55 ‘Titan of The American Musical’
37:36 Missing Steve50:22 Bernadette Peters: ‘I Had A Dream’
1:02:28 PJ & Martin: 'You can never say thank you enough’
1:18:22 The Next Collaboration: PJ's New Musical
1:26:14 Credits with Mehran James McCullough
1:28:58 Stephen Sondheim: 'Anyone Can Whistle'Subscribe to Loving You: The Untold Sondheim on Apple and all good podcast apps to get every episode the moment it is released.
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No One Has Ever Loved Me | The Love Story of Stephen Sondheim and Peter E. Jones: Act Two
14 mei 2026 · 1 uur 6 min
In the second of two deeply special episodes, Peter E. Jones shares the story of his life and love with Stephen Sondheim – for the first time in over 25 years. In what will be PJ’s official – and only – record of events, he shares the honest and accurate story of how their love transformed both their lives. Lees meer
“I know the love – the deep, deep, deep love – that Steve had for PJ. He always said, ‘I’ll never be able to love, I’ll never be in love.’ And then it was unlocked, and he was in love.’ – Maria Friedman
30 years on, what can Maria and Mia’s observations tell PJ about the relationship? What was the incredible gesture made by Steve to PJ – which, at the time, PJ didn’t even realise was so special? And reflecting on a lifetime of love and friendship with Steve, what would PJ say to Steve now?
“We had something that never went away. There were times when it made things complicated, but I learned so much from it.” – Peter E. Jones
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Maria Friedman: ‘He was in love’
02:08 Steve & PJ - The Story So Far ...
04:16 ‘Passion’ and ‘Peyton Place’
11:15 Maria and Mia
17:56 ‘To PJ, With Love’
20:06 'Just Another Love Story’
31:00 ‘No One Has Ever Loved Me’
34:26 ‘Sunset Boulevard in a Weird Twist’
45:44 PJ & Steve: ‘Songs I Wish I’d Written’
50:01 ‘Bluellow’ from ‘Peyton Place’ by Peter E. Jones
58:13 PJ: ‘You are your choices’
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Something Just Broke | The Love Story of Stephen Sondheim and Peter E. Jones: Act One
7 mei 2026 · 1 uur 1 min
In the first of two deeply special episodes, Peter E. Jones shares the story of his life and love with Stephen Sondheim – for the first time in over 25 years. In what will be PJ’s official – and only – record of events, he shares the honest and accurate account of how their love transformed both their lives. Lees meer
“PJ was the love of his life. The first person that he really, really, really deeply loved – and wanted it to work out. Big time.” – Mia Farrow
How did a letter from a 24-year-old songwriter lead to Stephen Sondheim falling in love – for the first time in his life? What made this a unique meeting of minds and hearts? And what did Mia Farrow observe about Steve and PJ’s love – which only now PJ can understand for himself?
“He saw what I couldn’t see in me, certainly. He saw an individual. He saw aspects of himself, I would say, of lacking self-worth but being talented” – Peter E. Jones
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Mia Farrow: ‘PJ was the love of his life’02:00 Introducing Steve & PJ
05:10 PJ in Wyoming and Denver: ‘A Little Songwriter’
15:02 A Letter to Stephen Sondheim
20:14 Meeting Steve at 246
29:39 A Weekend In The Country
38:47 A Meeting Of Minds
43:10 Steve’s Inner Circle
54:05 PJ & Mia: ‘The Valley Of Regret’
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CREDITS
Hosts and Producers: Martin Milnes and Peter E. Jones
Executive Producer: Jason Caffrey
Produced in partnership with: Creative Kin
Mixing and Mastering: Chris Traves
Directed, Devised and Written by Ma… -
Children and Art | Sondheim: The Father Figure
30 april 2026 · 54 min
Stephen Sondheim longed to be a father. Sadly, this dream was denied him. Yet although Steve never had children of his own, he was a father figure to countless loved ones – and their children. Join Sondheim’s chum Martin Milnes and Steve’s first love Peter E. Jones as they chat to the children – and parents – whose lives were touched by Steve’s love. Lees meer
“He was terribly into magic. Steve would put on these little magic shows for us. Traditional magic tricks: the wand with the handkerchiefs coming out.” – Walter E. Sondheim
What did Steve’s half-brother Walter accidentally discover about his family history? What was the common bond shared by mother and son Mia and Ronan Farrow in their friendships with Steve? And what has Steve’s love meant to Maria and her children?
“He found a lot of lost souls, lost people searching, and gave them a meaning and a way forward. It gave them an opportunity to find and make friends with themselves as fallible, fractured people.” – Maria Friedman
00:00 Dame Julie Andrews: ‘Oh, Steve! I’m pregnant!’
02:40 Martin & PJ: Steve’s Regret
04:12 Walter E. Sondheim: ‘Steve’s really my half-brother!’
15:02 Jamie Bernstein: ‘But we didn’t lose Steve!’
24:38 Mia Farrow: ‘The Old Woman in the Shoe’
27:38 Ronan Farrow: ‘This Extraordinary Polymath’
35:10 Mia Farrow: ‘I’ll never have anyone remotely like that’
38:38 Maria Friedman: ‘Stephen Song-Guy The Sandwich Man’
48:50 Walter E. Sondheim: ‘We’re going to see Uncle Steve!’
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You Could Drive A Person Crazy | Sondheim: Intimidating & Prickly?
23 april 2026 · 1 uur 6 min
The world views Steve as an icon – and to many an icon is 'intimidating'. Steve’s presence and reputation seemed to bring theatrical giants to their knees ... but was this label as a scary intellectual really warranted? Join Sondheim’s chum Martin Milnes and Steve’s first love Peter E. Jones for a unique investigation. With the aid of a glittering cast – including Patti LuPone, Mia Farrow, Christine Baranski, Maria Friedman, Adam Guettel, Ronan Farrow and Dame Judi Dench – can Martin and PJ solve the Sondheim mysteries which for decades have baffled and been misunderstood? Lees meer
“His being socially uncomfortable would read to people as if he was mean, or off-putting. It was never that. He just wasn’t a mean guy. The most talented people are the least mean.” – Adam Guettel
Why did Steve object to Mia’s striped socks? How did Christine overcome her fear of singing in front of Steve? And what answers can PJ provide Patti about her bumpy moments with Sondheim ‘The Genius’?
“But can I just tell you one thing, now that Steve has passed, that has people laughing their ass off?” – Patti LuPone
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Christine Baranski: ‘That’s what it meant to me’05:06 ‘Intimidating’ & ‘Prickly’: Debating The Myth
11:25 Andre, Maria & Frank: Understanding Steve
17:31 The Cocktail Party & Adam’s Callers22:53 Steve & Mary and Mia’s Socks
26:22 Rivalries: Menotti, Lenny and Gilbert
30:43 Introducing Laurence Guittard
32:08 Steve & Larry: ‘An unanswerable question’
43:57 In Praise of ‘Winterset’
49:24 Patti LuPone: ‘Steve Sondheim is yelling at me!’
1:00:26 A Black Onyx Heart: Our Investigation Concludes
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Me And You, Pal | Sondheim's Collaborators & Interpreters
16 april 2026 · 45 min
What was it like to collaborate with Stephen Sondheim writing musical masterpieces? For actors, how did it feel to work with Steve, interpreting
that art? And what is Steve’s legacy to those close personal friends who were also his dearest colleagues? Join Steve’s chum Martin Milnes, and first love Peter E. Jones, for a series of poignant and intimate chats, as Sondheim's book writers and definitive performers reveal the personal sides to Sondheim’s genius. Lees meer“His book writers were his family. They were his brothers, his sisters, his children, his family. They were the gold star. You do not get between him and them.” – Maria Friedman
Discover how Steve’s collaborations with James Lapine and John Weidman developed into enduring friendships; Steve’s lunchtime visit to a high school which became a formative experience for Lin-Manuel Miranda; and how Dame Judi Dench felt about singing ‘Send In The Clowns’ for Steve’s 80th birthday.
“I would email him the dumbest stuff like an ice-cream truck in Queens that plays ‘Send In The Clowns’ – to which his response was ‘Very upsetting. Thank you so much.’” – Lin-Manuel Miranda
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Side By Side: Millicent Martin & Julia McKenzie
06:58 Introducing Steve’s Collaborators
10:02 ‘Stepbrothers’: James Lapine & John Weidman
25:26 ‘What was it like?’: Lin-Manuel Miranda
31:42 ‘The care that went into it’: Jeremy Sams
38:46 ‘Send In The Clowns’: Len Cariou and Dame Judi Dench
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Come Play Wiz Me | Sondheim's Parties, Puzzles, Games & Ambivalence
9 april 2026 · 1 uur 4 min
A rib-tickling whirlwind tour exploring how Stephen Sondheim’s passions for puzzles, games and parties reveal the man behind the myth. Steve’s glorious humour and skill are celebrated by Sondheim’s chum Martin Milnes and Steve’s first love Peter E. Jones, alongside Ronan Farrow, Mia Farrow, Patti LuPone, Adam Guettel, Jamie Bernstein, James Lapine, John Weidman and more. Lees meer
“What happens when two dames from Planet S come from Outer Space hit Earth? Your sides will explode with merry Martian marital mix-ups!” – Stephen Sondheim
Discover how Patti bonded with Steve during Mia’s magical ‘Full Moon Parties’; Steve’s excitement over his and Ronan’s favourite video game; why Steve used pot while writing; and much, much more … including untold stories about ‘It’!
“He loved games because there are solutions. There are solutions that there aren't in real life. There's a way to get the answer. There's no bloody answer in real life.” – Maria Friedman
CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Ronan Farrow: Steve & Video Games
02:46 - Games & Puzzles: Steve’s ‘Perspicacity’
12:23 - Cryptics & Treasure Hunts
18:35 - Anagrams & Parlour Games
27:54 - Musical Parties: Steve, Hal & Lena
32:36 - ‘Full Moon’ Parties: Steve, Mia & Patti
37:17 - Steve & Pot: ‘The most audacious thing I had ever seen’
42:26 - Ambivalence, Acceptance & Spatulas
50:23 - Joshua & Mia: ‘It’ and ‘Serious Consideration’
58:13 - Laying Rumours To Rest
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Anything You Do, Let It Come From You | Sondheim: The Mentor
2 april 2026 · 1 uur 1 min
Presenting the exclusive story of Stephen Sondheim’s Oxford University Masterclass. For six months in 1990, Steve personally mentored 13 hand-picked young composer-lyricists in a classroom setting. In this episode, for the first time ever, Steve’s protegees’ reunite to share their never-before-heard testimony about how Steve shaped not just their careers – but their entire lives. Lees meer
“To a musical theatre writer, studying with Stephen Sondheim is like a Christian meeting Jesus. And I measure my life in before and after.” Leslie Arden
Steve always said ‘Teaching is the sacred profession’ – but how did it feel to receive Sondheim’s committed mentorship? For his students, what was the long-term personal impact of Steve’s dedicated teaching? And discover how Steve’s six months in Oxford became just as important to him as it did to his protegees.
“This is not just about musicals. He changed our lives. He changed the direction and scent of our lives.” Ed Hardy
Join Sondheim’s chum Martin Milnes – and first love Peter E. Jones – for a unique tribute to Steve The Mentor. With guest appearances from Sondheim protegee Lin-Manuel Miranda, Steve’s contemporaries Maltby & Shire, and Olivier Award-winning choreographer Bill Deamer.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Lin-Manuel: Larson & Sondheim
02:01 - The Sacred Profession: Maltby & Shire and Bill Deamer
09:24 - Introducing The 1990 Oxford Masterclass
13:56 - ‘He changed our lives’: Ed Hardy and Leslie Arden
19:43 - January 1990: The Masterclass Begins
25:41 - Sondheim: The Teacher
30:49 - Steve Meets Julian and Lionel
33:24 - A Day In The Death of Joe Egg
37:59 - Sunday & Ed’s Confession
45:26 - The Masterclass Concludes
48:32 - ‘Move On’: Life after Oxford
53:00- ‘What That Masterclass Meant To Us’
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And He's Into Making Movies | Sondheim: Director, Actor, Screenwriter, Composer
26 maart 2026 · 57 min
Join Steve’s chum Martin Milnes and first love Peter E. Jones to explore Sondheim’s life both behind – and in front – of the camera. From directing Leonard Bernstein’s family in home movies and acting in his own work on screen, through to writing screenplays, his Oscar-win, and investigating the abandoned Hollywood movie of a cult Sondheim musical. Lees meer
‘I've got a treatment of Anyone Can Whistle, set in the Swiss Alps, called Anyone Can Yodel. If you know anyone who might be interested in producing, give me a call.' – Sondheim's email to Lin-Manuel Miranda
How did Madonna react to Warren Beatty choosing Steve’s songs over hers? What did Steve feel about the Oscar-winning movie versions of his shows? And just what exactly happened that memorable night between Katharine Hepburn, Michael Jackson, Tom Stoppard and Steve?
‘Mr. Sondheim – you are a sombre fellow. Couldn't you put a ray of hope into your show by having a ballerina in white coming down from the flies – and dancing across the stage - in such a dark piece as the one you've written?’ – Katharine Hepburn on Assassins
CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Jamie Bernstein: Steve The Director
04:03 - James Lapine: Sondheim Acts in ‘Opening Doors’06:53 - Tom Fitzsimmons: Sondheim Acts in June Moon
11:05 - Steve & Martin: Movie Wordplay Puzzles
18:33 - Katharine Hepburn: The Prickly Next-Door-Neighbour
25:44 - Anthony Perkins: Co-writing The Last of Sheila
27:18 - Madonna & The Oscar: ‘Sooner Or Later’
31:25 - Lin-Manuel Miranda: Movie Versions of Steve’s Shows
35:30 - Exploring The Sondheim Movie-That-Never-Was
44:37 - Follies: 1974
50:50 - Steve & Martin: ‘A Beautiful Friendship’
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In The Movies | Sondheim & Golden Age Hollywood
19 maart 2026 · 1 uur 5 min
In this unprecedented exploration, hosts Martin Milnes and Peter E. Jones discover – in Sondheim’s own words – how Golden Age Hollywood profoundly shaped his personal world view in addition to his work. Featuring never-before-released emails between Steve and Martin, a 1953 letter from Steve in Hollywood, and the premieres of two unknown Sondheim songs in their first official recordings. Lees meer
"Did I tell you about the silent movie stars, all ladies, who I grew up with as they played Mahjong etc in our living room?" – Stephen Sondheim to Martin Milnes
Steve and Martin’s mutual encyclopaedic knowledge of old movies sparked ‘a beautiful friendship’ unlike any since Steve’s college days with his movie-mad chums. From playing chess with Humphrey Bogart and imitating Bette Davis, to being star-struck around obscure character actors, Martin and PJ affectionately celebrate Steve’s unexpected love of camp and glittering life among the stars.
With special appearances from renowned Script Supervisor Angela Allen (who met Sondheim in 1952 on the set of a notorious camp classic) and Broadway legend Patti LuPone, who recalls how Steve shared with her the original musical version of Sunset Boulevard.
"Don’t show it to anyone. In fact, once you’ve read it, burn this email." – Stephen Sondheim to Martin Milnes
CHAPTERS:
00:00 - “And Introducing” Steve, Martin, Spielberg & Hitler
05:34 - Steve’s Love of Gossip and “Life In Movie Terms”
15:58 - Steve’s Home Movie and The Origins of Pot in Company
20:26 - “Let’s Go To The Movies”: Influencing Steve’s Work
29:27 - Sunset Boulevard: Swanson, Steve & Patti
34:14 - “I’ll Never Forgive Myself”: Steve’s Shyness
37:01 - Bette Davis: Mayhem at Williams College
42:27 - Margaret Sullavan: “No Sad Songs For Me”
47:05 - Maggie at “The Party Of The Stars”: A Sondheim World Premiere53:50 - “Lunch With Hats”: The College Chums
56:43 - Torch Song: Steve’s Letter From Hollywood, 1953
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Talent | Sondheim's Friends: The Broadway Musical Giants
12 maart 2026 · 57 min
Sondheim's list of 'Songs I Wish I’d Written (At Least In Part)' sparks memories and insights from Broadway's finest musical talents. Lees meer
Hosts Martin Milnes and Peter E. Jones sit down with a powerhouse line-up of Broadway giants to explore the private, generous, and highly sentimental side of Stephen Sondheim.
Sondheim's esteemed friends and colleagues John Kander, Richard Maltby Jr, David Shire, Jonathan Tunick and Maury Yeston offer an unprecedented and unique view of Sondheim's musicianship, artistry and love of his friends' work.
From glittering 1960s parties to intimate evenings drinking wine and listening to records in Sondheim's study, we learn, including through unpublished Sondheim emails, the respect and support this legendary composer-lyricist offered his peers.
Hear how a young Jonathan Tunick was hired to orchestrate Company over 10 scotches, the true origins of the song "Being Alive," and how Steve's list of 'Songs I Wish I'd Written (At Least In Part)' served as his ultimate love letter to his peers.
"Everybody thinks that Steve is actually as complicated as his music is ... He was a bubi! He was the sweetest man in the world." – Maury Yeston
CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Introduction: John Kander on Sondheim's Compassion and Generosity
05:16 - "Songs I Wish I'd Written": Exploring Sondheim’s Famous List
08:29 - Falling in Love Over Music: Peter E Jones and Stephen Sondheim
10:50 - The Prince Parties and Early Broadway Struggles: Maltby & Shire
17:35 - Sondheim's Secret Sentimentality
24:04 - Jonathan Tunick: Orchestrating the Genius of Stephen Sondheim
30:12 - "He Played What He Wrote": The Unique Process of Orchestrating Sondheim
35:29 - Maury Yeston: Sondheim’s Generosity and Modesty
43:42 - Peter E. Jones' Song On The List: "Bluellow"
46:31 - John Kander: A 70-year FriendshipSubscribe to Loving You: The Untold Sondheim on Apple and all good podcast apps to get every episode the moment it is released.
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Something's Coming | Discovering Stephen Sondheim: The Man, The Friend, The Partner
5 maart 2026 · 1 uur 4 min
In this unprecedented tribute to legendary Broadway composer Stephen Sondheim, hosts Martin Milnes and Peter E. Jones open a deeply personal window onto the Sondheim they knew and loved. Lees meer
Peter – known affectionately as PJ – was Stephen Sondheim's former partner and first love. For 30 years, PJ remained at Steve's side as his lifelong trusted ally. Martin was Steve's close friend in the last six years of his life, bonding over a shared passion for obscure old movies.
Together, PJ and Martin draw back the curtain on Stephen Sondheim's life away from spotlight; sharing the 'Steve' which only his friends got to see.
"We're going to embark on a quest, like going Into The Woods! To find not 'Stephen Sondheim' - but Steve. And share what a wonderful human being he was with the world."
– Peter E. JonesThey share intimate memories from inside Stephen Sondheim's New York townhouse at 246 East 49th Street, including the famous "Six O'Clock Slot" – a cherished time when Sondheim loved to entertain guests with pure conversation and drinks.
And previously unheard stories of celebrity visitors, including Judy Garland, Barbra Streisand, and Bradley Cooper.
Stephen Sondheim's passion for Golden Age movies is uncovered, as well as the profound difference between his carefully curated public persona and the private optimist his friends knew.
As a finale, Martin and PJ welcome a very special guest: Dame Julie Andrews.
As a global musical theatre icon famed for landmark Broadway roles including Eliza Doolittle in My Fair Lady and Queen Guinevere in Camelot, Dame Julie was a peer and lifelong friend of Stephen Sondheim. She recalls shared holidays - and how she would always "weep at Sondheim".
"I think because one knew that Steve overcame so much in his youth, and then wrote so brilliantly and beautifully and wittily, and wickedly... it made me cry for so many reasons." – Dame Julie Andrews
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Loving You: The Untold Sondheim - Season 1 Trailer
2 februari 2026 · 2 min
Discover the Stephen Sondheim his friends knew and loved. Lees meer
Premieres on 5 March 2026
Loving You: The Untold Sondheim is an unprecedented new podcast series that paints an intimate and candid portrait of the man behind the myth.
Hosted by Stephen Sondheim’s close friend, Martin Milnes, and his first love, Peter E Jones, this series offers a deeply personal look at Sondheim’s life. Through exclusive, never-before-released emails and informal chats, we draw back the curtain on the genius who changed musical theatre forever.
Season 1 features celebrity voices from Steve’s inner circle, including
Julie Andrews, Lin-Manuel Miranda, Patti LuPone, Mia Farrow, Ronan Farrow and Maria Friedman.
Whether you are a lifelong fan or new to his work, this is Sondheim as he was known by those who loved him best.
"I have to say that I absolutely adored him. If he had said, ‘Would you marry me?’ I think I would've seriously considered it because he was so darned attractive in an amazing way." — Julie Andrews
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 The Personal Side of Broadway Giant Stephen Sondheim
00:34 Meet the Hosts: Steve’s Friend Martin Milnes and First Love Peter E Jones
00:50 An Unprecedented Tribute: Friends, Encouragers and Partners
01:09 Exclusive Insights: Unpublished Emails and Untold Stories
01:29 Loving You: A Podcast by Sondheim’s Friends, with Sondheim’s Friends
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Executive Producer: Jaso…