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AI Adoption in Law Firms: What Actually Works with Norah Olson Bluvshtein
3 november 2026 · 27 min
AI adoption involves more than choosing the right technology. But what does it take to make AI useful in the day-to-day work of a law firm? Lees meer
In this episode of AI and the Future of Law, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack welcome Norah Olson Bluvshtein, Chief AI and Legal Operations Officer at Fredrikson & Byron, to explore the opportunities and challenges of implementing AI at a midsize law firm.
From managing change and investing in the right people to developing junior lawyers and preserving legal judgment, Norah shares lessons from Fredrikson's approach to AI adoption and why successful implementation depends on more than software.
Key Discussion Points
The advantages and challenges of AI adoption at midsize law firms
Why AI investment requires more than technology and training
Change management and meeting lawyers where they are
The future of junior lawyer development and mentorship
Why temperament, experience, and leadership matter in AI adoption
AI and the Future of Law is hosted by Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack. A Creative Lawyers Podcast.
https://www.aiandthefutureoflaw.com/
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AI Agents Are Reshaping Legal Work: What Lawyers Need to Know
20 oktober 2026 · 34 min
AI agents are moving beyond answering questions to taking action. But what happens when AI can make decisions, complete tasks, and interact with other systems on its own? And what does that mean for lawyers? Lees meer
In this episode of AI and the Future of Law, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore the rise of agentic AI and its implications for legal practice. They share their experiences using Instinct, a personal AI assistant, discuss JEV and the possibility of AI verifying other AI systems, and examine how autonomous technology is changing the way lawyers work.
From supervising AI agents like junior associates to managing AI training fatigue, Jen and Bridget consider the opportunities, challenges, and professional responsibilities emerging as AI becomes more autonomous.
Key Discussion Points
How AI agents differ from traditional chatbots
Personal AI assistants and AI verification tools
Supervising AI agents and managing their actions
AI adoption, training fatigue, and law firm leadership
Professional competence, ethics, and accountability
AI and the Future of Law is hosted by Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack. A Creative Lawyers Podcast.
https://www.aiandthefutureoflaw.com/
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AI Agents Broke Out. What the Hugging Face Incident Means for Lawyers
6 oktober 2026 · 46 min
Season 4 of AI and the Future of Law begins with one of the most unsettling AI stories of the year: the Hugging Face incident, involving reports that OpenAI agents escaped a training sandbox, coordinated with one another, and accessed external systems. Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack unpack what happened, why it captured so much attention, and what it reveals about the next phase of AI safety, cybersecurity, and governance. They discuss how autonomous agents can create new risks for courts, law firms, legal departments, and the clients lawyers advise.
The conversation also explores why AI governance cannot be treated like a one-time software approval. As frontier models become more capable, legal institutions will need ongoing oversight, stronger vendor diligence, better documentation, and practical systems for managing risk.
Key Discussion Points
The Hugging Face incident and why it matters
Autonomous AI agents and cyber risk
AI governance beyond one-time approval
What courts and law firms should be watching
Vendor diligence, documentation, and accountability
Why lawyers have a role in shaping AI oversight
AI and the Future of Law is hosted by Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack. A Creative Lawyers Podcast.
https://www.aiandthefutureoflaw.com/
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Season 3 in Review: What AI Is Changing About the Future of Law
22 september 2026 · 9 min
Season 3 of AI and the Future of Law explored a legal profession moving quickly from AI experimentation to real transformation. Lees meer
In this special recap episode, we revisit some of the season’s most memorable conversations about legal AI, agentic systems, law firm strategy, AI-native business models, professional competency, and the role human judgment will continue to play as the technology advances.
Thank you to everyone who listened, followed, shared, and joined us throughout Season 3.
AI and the Future of Law will return in October with Season 4 and more conversations about how artificial intelligence is reshaping the legal profession and the world around it.
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How Judges Can Use AI Without Losing Human Judgment with Justice Jerod Tufte
1 september 2026 · 32 min
How can judges use AI without delegating the human judgment at the center of their role? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Justice Jerod Tufte of the North Dakota Supreme Court for a conversation about AI, judicial workflows, public legal data, access to justice, and the future of courts.
In this episode:
How judges can use AI while preserving human judgment
Why AI should support, not decide, judicial work
How AI can assist with records, citations, and bench memos
Why courts need guardrails for AI use
How AI may increase litigation volume
Why public law should be accessible and AI-ready
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Kirkland’s $500 Million AI Bet and the Future of Junior Lawyers
18 augustus 2026 · 28 min
What does Kirkland & Ellis’ $500 million AI bet mean for Big Law — and for junior lawyers? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack discuss Kirkland’s reported investment in building its own proprietary AI platform and what it signals about the legal industry’s shift from AI adoption to AI building. They explain why Kirkland’s strategy may make sense for Kirkland, but why other firms should be careful not to copy it without considering their own strengths, clients, culture, and market position.
Jen and Bridget also explore growing concerns about junior attorney development as AI takes on more entry-level legal work. If junior lawyers are no longer learning through the same kinds of assignments, how will firms help them build judgment, confidence, and expertise? And what new training models might emerge?
The episode also includes an AI Aha! segment on practical AI use cases in everyday life and a What Just Happened discussion on Anthropic, model risk, and emerging government oversight of frontier AI systems.
In this episode:
Kirkland’s $500 million AI announcement
Big Law’s shift from AI adoption to AI building
Why AI strategy should match firm strategy
What AI means for junior associate development
Why learning by doing does not happen automatically
How firms might rethink legal training
What Anthropic’s model-risk episode means for lawyers and clients
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What Does It Mean to Be an AI-Ready Lawyer? Farrah Pepper and Kirsten Talmage on AI Competency
4 augustus 2026 · 35 min
What does it mean to be an AI-ready lawyer? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Farrah Pepper, legal innovation partner at Harvey, and Kirsten Talmage, chief strategy officer at Practising Law Institute, to discuss The AI-Ready Lawyer: A Competency Framework for the AI Era.
Farrah and Kirsten explain why the legal profession needs a shared language for AI competency, how the framework can help law firms, legal departments, law schools, and individual lawyers, and why AI training should focus on durable professional skills rather than any single tool. The conversation also explores new legal career paths, the importance of oversight and judgment, and how organizations can use the framework to assess training gaps and build AI fluency responsibly.
In this episode:
What it means to be an AI-ready lawyer
Why the legal profession needs a shared AI competency framework
How AI fluency differs from tool-specific training
Why human judgment, oversight, and ethics remain central
How firms and legal departments can use the framework
Why smaller teams may benefit from AI training even more
How law students can assess AI readiness in schools and employers
Learn more about PLI’s AI-Ready Lawyer framework:
[PLI AI-Ready Lawyer Framework]
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What Is an AI-Native Law Firm? John Nay on Norm AI and Norm Law
21 juli 2026 · 27 min
What is an AI-native law firm? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by John Nay, founder and CEO of Norm AI and Norm Law, for a conversation about agentic law, AI-native legal services, and what it means to build legal work around agents rather than copilots.
John explains how legal and regulatory reasoning can be embedded into AI agents, allowing them to perform first-pass work, learn from prior matters, and create compounding value over time. The conversation also explores how Norm Law combines attorneys, legal engineers, software engineers, and AI engineers; why client-specific knowledge can become persistent; and how outcome-based pricing may change the business model of legal services.
The episode also examines client trust, human supervision, experienced legal talent, and the Legal AGI Lab’s research into how AI agents may be evaluated, benchmarked, and governed by law.
Learn more about the Legal AGI Lab: https://lab.norm.ai
In this episode:
What agentic law means
How AI agents differ from copilots
What an AI-native law firm looks like
The role of legal engineers and AI engineers
Outcome-based pricing and client trust
Human supervision in AI-native legal work
Legal AGI and the governance of AI agents
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How AI Is Reshaping In-House Legal Teams with Nick Fleisher
7 juli 2026 · 30 min
How is AI changing the work of in-house legal teams? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Nick Fleisher, co-founder and CEO of Sandstone, an AI-native platform built specifically for in-house legal teams. Nick discusses how AI is transforming legal operations by helping legal departments manage intake, triage work, connect business context, and move from reactive service providers to proactive strategic partners.
The conversation explores why successful legal AI depends on data and context rather than simply deploying another chatbot, how AI systems can learn legal judgment over time, what lawyers should automate first, and why human oversight remains essential as agentic workflows become more common. Nick also shares why corporate legal departments are under increasing pressure as AI accelerates work across the business, and what that means for the future of legal teams.
In this episode:
Why in-house legal teams are adopting AI differently than law firms
Building AI-native legal infrastructure
Why legal AI is fundamentally a data and context problem
How AI can help legal teams become more proactive
What AI can—and can't—learn from lawyers
Understanding agentic workflows and human oversight
Why implementation is the key to successful AI adoption
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Can Law Firms Redesign Themselves for AI? Jen Leonard on Unprecedented
23 juni 2026 · 36 min
Can law firms redesign themselves for a world shaped by generative AI? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Sharon Crane, president of Practising Law Institute, for a conversation about Jen’s new book, Unprecedented: Designing a Human-Centered Law Firm When Everything Is Changing. Together, they explore why law firm transformation is difficult, how storytelling can make change feel more accessible, and why collaboration, human-centered design, and practical experimentation matter in the AI era.
The conversation also covers PLI’s AI competency framework, the value of business fables, the history of the Cravath system and the billable hour, how Jen used AI as a writing partner, and what the future of junior lawyer training might look like.
Learn more about Unprecedented: Designing a Human-Centered Law Firm When Everything Is Changing:
https://www.pli.edu/catalog/publications/treatise/unprecedented-designing-a-human-centered-law-firm-when-everything-is-changing/447974
In this episode:
Why law firm change requires human buy-in
How storytelling can make transformation more usable
Why the current legal business model is not inevitable
How AI can act as a co-intelligence, not a shortcut
What junior lawyer training might look like in the AI era
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Is Legal Tech in a Bubble? Nikki Shaver on AI Strategy and Legal Tech Growth
9 juni 2026 · 37 min
The legal tech market is growing fast—but is it a bubble, or the beginning of a new era for legal services? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Nikki Shaver, co-founder and CEO of Legaltech Hub, to discuss how AI is reshaping law firm strategy, pricing, technology selection, and competition. Nikki explains why firms are moving beyond efficiency as the main measure of AI value, how AI-native firms may challenge incumbents, and why agentic AI creates new governance and security questions for legal organizations.
In this episode:
How legal tech adoption has shifted since ChatGPT
Why AI value is moving from efficiency to quality
What AI-native firms mean for incumbent law firms
How law firms should evaluate legal tech startups
Why agentic AI raises new governance risks
What Nikki expects next for the legal tech market
Keywords:
legal tech, legal technology, AI in law, legal AI, law firm strategy, Nikki Shaver, Legaltech Hub, agentic AI, AI-native firms, law firm innovation, legal innovation, GenAI, legal tech bubble, future of law
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What Happens When AI Agents Make Contracts? Bridget McCormack on LCP
26 mei 2026 · 38 min
What happens when AI agents start making contracts with other AI agents? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore Legal Context Protocol, or LCP, a new open protocol designed to help legal terms become discoverable, verifiable, and connected to agentic transactions. Bridget explains why existing e-commerce legal infrastructure may not translate cleanly to a world where machines negotiate, accept terms, and complete transactions on behalf of people and businesses.
In this episode:
What Legal Context Protocol is designed to solve
Why agentic commerce creates new contract and ratification issues
How legal terms can become discoverable, verifiable, and connected to transactions
Why AI risk and legal-context risk should be separated
What general counsel and law firm partners should do now
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Can AI Make Lawyers Better? Daniel Schwarcz on AI and Human Legal Reasoning
12 mei 2026 · 33 min
Can AI help lawyers learn—or does it weaken the skills legal training is meant to build? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Daniel Schwarcz, Fredrikson & Byron Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota Law School, to discuss new empirical research on artificial intelligence and human legal reasoning. Daniel explains a randomized control trial studying how law students used AI to synthesize legal materials, apply legal rules, and revise legal analysis—and why some results surprised even the researchers.
In this episode:
Why legal training may prepare lawyers to use AI well
What the University of Minnesota study tested about AI and legal reasoning
Why AI-assisted students performed better than expected
The risks of using AI for revision under time pressure
What law schools and law firms should take away from the research
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The Am Law 100 Power Rankings: What’s Changing in Big Law with Jae Um
28 april 2026 · 53 min
The latest Am Law 100 power rankings reveal a legal industry undergoing rapid transformation—driven by shifting demand, intensifying competition, and the growing influence of AI. In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by legal industry analyst Jae Um to break down what’s changing in Big Law. They explore the rise of “apex predator” firms, widening performance gaps, evolving AI strategies, and early signs of client-side disruption. Lees meer
In this episode:
Am Law 100 power rankings and market concentration
The rise of “apex predator” firms
AI strategy and firm-level competition
Shifting client demand and pricing pressure
The future structure of Big Law
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Jason Barnwell on AI Agents, Contract Lifecycle Management, and the Future of Legal Work
21 april 2026 · 36 min
Artificial intelligence is moving beyond tools and into systems—reshaping how legal work is performed and delivered. Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack speak with Jason Barnwell, Chief Legal Officer at Agiloft, about the rise of AI agents, contract lifecycle management, and what these shifts mean for legal practice.
They explore how some professionals are able to extract exponentially more value from AI than others, the growing importance of structuring legal knowledge into reusable protocols, and how contract data is becoming a strategic asset inside organizations. The conversation also examines shifting incentives, emerging career paths, and how legal education and training may need to evolve in response.
Topics discussed include:
AI agents and the shift from tools to systems
Why some professionals get exponentially more value from AI
Contract lifecycle management and the rise of contract data as infrastructure
The changing role of lawyers from executors to system architects
Legal education, training models, and new career pathways
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Did AI Just Practice Law? The OpenAI Lawsuit + Legalweek 2026
7 april 2026 · 34 min
Artificial intelligence is beginning to test the boundaries of legal practice itself. Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack examine Nippon Life v. OpenAI, a lawsuit alleging that a chatbot engaged in the unauthorized practice of law by generating legal advice, drafting filings, and influencing litigation strategy. The case raises foundational questions about liability, regulation, and whether existing legal frameworks can meaningfully apply to AI systems.
They also explore practical AI use cases and key takeaways from Legalweek 2026, including rising pressure to demonstrate ROI, rapid enterprise adoption, and the shift toward more advanced systems.
Topics discussed include:
The facts and legal theories in Nippon Life v. OpenAI
Unauthorized practice of law vs. product liability frameworks
The limits of regulating AI through court decisions
Legalweek 2026: ROI pressure and adoption trends
Practical AI workflows using Claude Co-Work
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How AI Is Changing Contract Law with Dave Hoffman
24 maart 2026 · 45 min
Artificial intelligence is beginning to reshape one of the most foundational areas of legal practice: contract law. Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Professor Dave Hoffman (University of Pennsylvania Law School) to explore how tools like Claude are influencing contract interpretation, legal research, and legal education. They discuss how AI can help judges interpret ambiguous language, what it means for the value of transactional lawyers, and why defining an “AI-ready” lawyer is harder than it sounds.
Topics Discussed
Using Claude to analyze law journals’ AI policies at scale
How AI can support judges in interpreting contract language
The changing value of transactional lawyers in an AI-driven world
How legal education is adapting to rapid technological change
Rethinking legal judgment, training, and professional value
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AI Recording Tools and Attorney-Client Privilege in the Age of AI
10 maart 2026 · 33 min
AI recording tools can make lawyers more efficient—but what are the risks to confidentiality? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack examine how AI recording tools intersect with attorney–client privilege, professional responsibility rules, and the evolving skill demands of an AI-driven workforce.
Topics discussed include:
How AI recording platforms may introduce third-party privilege risks
State consent laws and the ethical limits of secret recording
New York Bar Formal Opinion 2025-6 and deceptive practices
Whether recording changes how clients communicate with their lawyers
The risk of AI-generated summaries misinterpreting legal nuance
A risk-based framework for deciding when (and when not) to record
New Wharton–Accenture research on how AI is reshaping job skills and compensation
AI tools can improve legal work—but only when lawyers understand the boundaries that protect trust, competence, and confidentiality.
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AI Agents and the Widening Divide in Legal with Zach Abramowitz
24 februari 2026 · 34 min
As the legal profession enters 2026, the conversation about AI is shifting. It is no longer about awareness or early adoption. It is about measurable impact. Lees meer
In this episode of AI and the Future of Law, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Zach Abramowitz for a legal market check-in on AI agents, ROI, competitive pressure, and the widening divide between AI superusers and skeptics.
They discuss:
The shift from AI assistants to AI agents
Why 2026 is about measuring ROI, not experimentation
The rise of AI-first firms and competitive pressure on traditional models
Venture capital, private equity, and renewed conversations about external ownership
The growing mindset divide within the profession
AI is no longer a side experiment in legal. It is becoming embedded in strategy, pricing, and firm structure.
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Claude Code, Vibe Coding, and Creative Lawyers at Work
10 februari 2026 · 34 min
What happens when lawyers stop waiting for permission and start building with AI? Jen and Bridget explore the rise of creative associates and what tools like Claude Code reveal about the future of legal work. From agentic AI systems that refactor how coding gets done to junior lawyers who “vibe-code” solutions to everyday firm problems, this conversation looks at how innovation is increasingly bottom-up in law firms. Lees meer
Topics covered include:
Claude Code and agentic AI for knowledge work
Why creative associates are driving real change
Vibe coding and lowering the barrier to innovation
Cultural shifts law firms need to support experimentation
What this means for junior lawyers and legal training
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Should Lawyers Trust AI? Inside Harvey and the Future of Legal Work
27 januari 2026 · 45 min
Can lawyers really trust AI—and what does “trust” mean in modern legal practice? Lees meer
In this episode of AI and the Future of Law, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Gabe Pereyra, President and Co-Founder of Harvey AI, to explore how generative AI is moving from a productivity tool to core infrastructure for law firms.
Gabe explains how leading firms are deploying AI at scale, why hallucinations are no longer the central concern, and how governance, auditability, and human-in-the-loop systems shape real trust in legal AI. The conversation also dives into the future of the billable hour, lawyer training, and why AI is best understood as leverage—not labor replacement.
In this episode:
When lawyers will trust AI systems
Human-in-the-loop governance and supervision
AI as law firm infrastructure, not just software
Why the billable hour isn’t disappearing
Training lawyers faster in an AI-first era
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Private Equity and the Future of Law Firms: Investing in AI
13 januari 2026 · 31 min
Private equity interest in U.S. law firms is accelerating, and AI is a major reason why. In this Season 3 kickoff, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore how ethics rules collide with the capital demands of AI, and why the real story isn’t short-term profits but long-term investment in legal infrastructure. They unpack Rule 5.4, the rise of the MSO model as a workaround for outside investment, and what “ownership” really means when control over data, technology, and professional judgment is at stake. Lees meer
The conversation also examines emerging judicial approaches to AI disclosure and what they signal for competence, evidence, and governance as AI becomes foundational to legal practice.
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Predictions for 2026 in AI and the Law
23 december 2025 · 36 min
What will AI actually change in law by 2026—and how should firms, courts, and legal institutions prepare? In this season two finale of AI and the Future of Law, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack step back from the hype cycle to offer grounded, practical predictions about the next few years. Lees meer
They explore Google’s Gemini 3 and the shift from chatbots to agentic systems, the “platformization” of legal services driven by MSOs, ALSPs, and private equity, and the new talent demands this creates inside law firms. Along the way, they introduce ideas like AI legal twins, AI co-mediators, and opt-in court pilots for low-stakes disputes—and ask what leaders across the justice system should be planning for now.
Topics Covered:
How Gemini 3 and agentic AI systems move beyond simple chatbots
Why private equity, MSOs, and ALSPs may “platformize” legal services
The new talent equation: from 1Ls to AI leaders in the C-suite
Provocative ideas like AI legal twins and AI co-mediators
How courts might experiment with opt-in AI pilots for low-stakes cases
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Building AI Tools for All: Closing the Justice Gap with Sateesh Nori & Tom Martin
9 december 2025 · 36 min
How can AI expand access to justice for the millions who can’t afford a lawyer? In this episode, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack speak with Sateesh Nori and Tom Martin about AI tools reshaping legal help, including Depositron for security deposit disputes and Law Answers AI for jurisdiction-specific guidance. Lees meer
They discuss Sateesh’s journey from housing court to AI innovation, Tom’s work building scalable solutions for the public, and the profession’s ongoing debate over “second-tier justice.” What emerges is a compelling vision for AI as a bridge—not a barrier—to legal help.
Topics:
• How AI is transforming access to justice
• Why the legal system leaves most people without help
• The creation of Depositron and LawAnswers AI
• “Second-tier justice” vs. real-world legal outcomes
• Moonshot visions for AI-enabled legal service delivery
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Making Talk Cheap: Are AI Tools Devaluing Legal Writing?
25 november 2025 · 39 min
Is AI making legal writing too easy—and too cheap? In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore how generative AI tools are reshaping writing as a professional skill. They discuss the paper “Making Talk Cheap,” which argues that when anyone can generate polished text, writing loses its value as a signal of skill, effort, or merit. What does this mean for hiring, advancement, and lawyering in the AI era? Plus, they unpack a new Wharton study showing how enterprise AI use is soaring—with real ROI—while sharing personal stories of AI’s practical impact. Lees meer
Topics Covered:
Wharton’s 2025 report on enterprise AI adoption and ROI (vs. the “failed pilots” narrative)
How generative AI is leveling the playing field in writing quality
The Making Talk Cheap study on devalued written work and hiring signals
Implications for legal hiring, promotion, and skill development in the AI era
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AI in LA Courts: David Slayton on Access to Justice
11 november 2025 · 39 min
Can AI make the nation’s largest trial court more accessible, trusted, and just? In this episode, LA Superior Court CEO, David Slayton joins hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget Mary McCormack to unpack how generative AI is already reshaping court services—and why “effective” beats “efficient.” Lees meer
We explore Court Help on LACourt.gov, change-management tactics that stick, and the delicate balance between moving too slowly (and getting overwhelmed) and too fast (and losing public trust). Practical, candid, and grounded in real operations, this conversation offers a roadmap for legal leaders navigating AI.
Topics covered:
Court Help and responsible gen-AI design
Serving self-represented litigants at scale
Change management in high-trust institutions
Risks of moving too slow—or too fast—on AI
Predictive analytics, triage, and future workflows
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Live from MAICON 2025: Building AAA’s First AI Arbitrator
28 oktober 2025 · 27 min
Can an AI fairly decide a dispute—and win party trust? Recorded live at MAICON 2025, this episode dives into the American Arbitration Association’s first AI arbitrator, a documents-only two-party workflow designed for construction cases with a human in the loop. AAA President Bridget McCormack explains the multi-agent architecture, why procedural fairness matters, and how the tool reflects a century of arbitration expertise. We also unpack OpenAI’s Sora 2 rollout, likeness/IP controversies, and the shift from opt-out to permission-first models—and what deepfakes mean for courts and the rule of law. Lees meer
Topics covered:
How AAA’s AI arbitrator works (and when to use it)
Human oversight, speed, and cost gains
Sora 2’s IP backlash and policy reversal
Deepfakes, watermarking limits, and courtroom risk
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How AI Is Changing Legal Education with Dyane O’Leary and Jonah Perlin
14 oktober 2025 · 43 min
How should law schools teach judgment, writing, and readiness in the age of AI? Georgetown’s Jonah Perlin and Suffolk’s Dyane O’Leary join hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack to explore how generative AI is reshaping legal education—from 1L writing and grading to ethics, policy, and professional judgment. Lees meer
They share real classroom experiments that reveal how professors are using AI to teach reasoning and curiosity, and how schools are balancing innovation with integrity through redesigned assessments and “AI literacy” curricula. The conversation also dives into multimodal and voice-based tools transforming how students learn, communicate, and prepare for modern practice.
Topics covered:
How AI is transforming legal writing and pedagogy
Grading, integrity, and fairness in the AI era
What “practice-ready” means for future lawyers
The rise of multimodal and voice-driven learning
Building judgment and curiosity through AI
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Can Judges Use AI? Inside the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s Interim Policy
30 september 2025 · 36 min
Can state‑court judges safely use generative AI? In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack unpack Pennsylvania’s interim policy for courts—what it allows, what it restricts, and how human review and confidentiality guardrails work in practice. They compare real AI workflows from their own desks—editing a book with Claude and turning a long essay into slides—and dissect the “AI pilots are failing” storyline versus the reality of high adoption and slower ROI. You’ll also hear why court labs, enterprise access, and judge‑focused guidelines matter now. Lees meer
We cover:
Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s interim AI policy and guardrails
AI Aha!: Claude as editor; ChatGPT vs. Claude vs. Gemini for slides
MIT “AI pilots” narrative vs. actual adoption and ROI timelines
Court “AI labs,” enterprise licenses, and chatbots for self‑represented litigants
Michigan pilot with Learned Hand and practical guidance for judges
Episode Highlights:
02:56 AI Aha! Moments
10:10 What Just Happened: MIT Report
21:55 Main Topic: PA Supreme Court’s Interim AI policy
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Inside Legal Innovation: AI Adoption with Jae Um & Ilona Logvinova
16 september 2025 · 51 min
What does it take to modernize a 100-year-old legal institution and prepare lawyers for the AI era? In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack sit down with Jae Um (Lumio) and Ilona Logvinova (Cleary Gottlieb) to explore how legal organizations move from AI experiments to real impact. From acquisitions and change management to digital agents and legal education reform, this conversation breaks down what actually drives innovation in law. Lees meer
We cover:
Practical AI workflows and tools in legal practice
Culture, incentives, and strategy in firm innovation
Inorganic vs. organic growth (acquisitions and beyond)
Digital agents and the future of early-career legal work
How law schools must evolve for AI-native practice
Episode Highlights:
02:15 AI Aha! Moments
10:39 Inorganic Growth & Innovation Strategy
32:50 Law Schools & Learning in the AI Era
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GPT-5 and the Future of Legal AI Regulation
2 september 2025 · 34 min
Is GPT-5 good enough to practice law? This episode dives into OpenAI’s newest model and its implications for legal practice, including how it compares to previous models and where human oversight remains essential. Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack also unpack a groundbreaking report from IAALS on regulating AI in legal services, shifting the focus from lawyers to consumers. Lees meer
Episode Highlights:
(2:22) AI Aha! Moments: AI and human error in court
(12:52) What Just Happened: Key features and legal benchmarks of GPT-5
(20:50) IAALS phased approach to AI oversight
(28:13) How courts and communities are adapting to AI tools
Read the IAALS report on regulating AI in law here: https://iaals.du.edu/sites/default/files/documents/publications/ulr_regulating_ai.pdf
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Garfield Law: Inside the World’s First AI-Native Law Firm
19 augustus 2025 · 41 min
What happens when a litigator and a quantum physicist build a law firm from the ground up with AI at its core? In this episode, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack speak with Phillip Young and Daniel Long of Garfield Law, the UK’s first fully AI-native, regulator-approved law firm. They share how Garfield streamlines small debt claims, navigated unprecedented regulatory scrutiny, and solved AI hallucination risks with a hybrid expert system. Along the way, they explore what AI integration could mean for lawyers, courts, and access to justice worldwide. Lees meer
Episode Highlights:
(2:38) AI Aha! Moments: Using Claude as a Lifestyle Assistant
(5:01) Origin of Garfield Law
(13:00) Regulation, Ethics, and Tech Safeguards
(26:07) The Future of Law
Topics include:
-Building the Garfield AI platform
-Winning regulatory approval in the UK
-Tackling hallucination in legal AI
-Future of API-integrated courts
-Implications for legal training and the profession
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Can AI Help You Win in Court? A New Era of Self-Representation
5 augustus 2025 · 41 min
Could AI make you a better advocate than a lawyer? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore real-world stories of self-represented litigants using AI tools to win cases, plus a bold proposal to allow “robot lawyers” in appellate arguments. From century rides powered by ChatGPT to experiments in legal education innovation, this conversation tackles the evolving role of AI in justice.
Episode Highlights
(3:02) AI Aha! Moments: Fitness and food ordering hacks
(7:41) ChatGPT Agents explained
(19:37) Self-represented litigant wins appeal with AI
(22:17) Adam Unikowski's jaw-dropping experiment
Topics covered:
– A self-represented litigant’s AI-assisted appellate victory
– Adam Unikowsky’s robot lawyer experiment at SCOTUS
– ChatGPT Agents and task-based automation
– AI for legal research, CLE, and gamification
– Why courts should pilot AI-supported oral arguments
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Building an AI-Forward Law Firm: Lessons from Quinn Emanuel
22 juli 2025 · 40 min
What happens when a top litigation firm lets lawyers truly experiment with AI? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen and Bridget sit down with Jen Reeves and Chris Kercher of Quinn Emanuel to explore how one of the world’s top law firms is embracing AI from the inside out. From launching a grassroots Skunk Works group to using Claude and ChatGPT in high-stakes litigation, they share how culture, leadership, and curiosity are driving real results. Perfect for lawyers, tech leaders, and anyone wondering how AI is actually being used in practice today.
Episode Highlights
(2:17) AI Aha! Moments: ChatGPT Planned the Roadtrip and Made the Punchlist.
(5:13) How Quinn Emanuel Built an AI Culture That Stuck
(15:40) The Mindset Shift That Unlocks AI Use
(23:54) AI for Small Firms: Where to Start and What to Skip
Topics include:
– Building an AI culture without mandates
– Using Claude to manage real litigation workflows
– Why context beats prompts
– Advice for small firms and solos
– How AI is making law more fun (and faster)
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Training the Next Generation of Lawyers: How AI Is Redefining Legal Training
8 juli 2025 · 34 min
What happens when the apprenticeship model breaks? Lees meer
In this episode, Jen and Bridget explore how AI is reshaping legal education and associate training, from the classroom to the law firm. Sparked by a conversation by Wharton professor Ethan Mollick, the hosts ask: If the old model of learning-by-osmosis no longer works, what comes next?
Episode Highlights
(3:07) Bridget’s latest AI Aha!: Prototyping a GPT to simulate arbitration coaching scenarios
(5:18) Jen’s latest AI Aha!: Using ChatGPT’s deep research mode to enhance citation checking and targeted teaching
(7:40) Ethan Mollick’s provocative claim: “The apprenticeship model broke this summer” and what it means for legal training
(19:41) Harvey AI partners with LexisNexis and iManage. Is this the tipping point for generative AI in law?
Key Questions We Explore:
How can AI help rebuild legal training systems from the ground up?
What role might custom GPTs play in associate development and coaching?
How do we ensure AI-driven tools support access to justice, not just Big Law?
Keywords: legal education, associate training, apprenticeship, GPTs, coaching, arbitration, Harvey AI, LexisNexis, iManage, legal workflows, custom GPTs, legal AI, access to justice, Ethan Mollick, pro bono innovation
This podcast is presented by the American Arbitration Association with Creative Lawyers, and distributed by the Practising Law Institute - bridging world-class legal education with the global leader in dispute resolution. Produced by Aaron Tran.
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A New Name, A New Era: Welcome to AI and the Future of Law
1 juli 2025 · 7 min
In Episode 27, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack kick off a new chapter with a fresh name — AI and the Future of Law — and a new presenting partnership with the Practising Law Institute (PLI), in collaboration with the American Arbitration Association. The rebrand reflects their evolving mission while keeping the heart of the podcast intact: accessible, thought-provoking insights on how AI is reshaping the legal profession. Lees meer
Listeners can expect the same candid co-host dialogue, plus a broader range of formats, including expert interviews. In this bite-sized bonus episode, Jen and Bridget celebrate the new launch and share personal “AI Aha!” moments — from ChatGPT-powered tick identification in Michigan to motivational coaching for long-distance runs.
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ChatGPT Gets an A+: What That Means for Law School, Workflows, and Your Everyday Life
24 juni 2025 · 40 min
What does it mean when AI outperforms law students? In this episode, Jen and Bridget explore a groundbreaking study showing that OpenAI’s latest model, O3, earned A+ grades on actual law school finals — outperforming top students in multiple subjects. But that’s just one part of the story. Lees meer
Episode Highlights
(3:02) Bridget’s latest “AI Aha!” — using ChatGPT to design and facilitate a 300-person workshop in under 60 minutes
(7:13) Jen’s latest “AI Aha!” — leveraging Deep Research to uncover funding leads and pitch differentiators for a nonprofit project
(11:53) Meta’s $14.8 billion investment in Scale AI and the race for superintelligence
(18:22) OpenAI’s new integrations with Gmail, Slack, and Asana — and what that means for legal workflows and privacy
(23:02) A new study shows ChatGPT earning A+ grades on law school finals — prompting urgent questions about legal education, assessment, and what skills truly matter
Key Questions We Explore:
- Are traditional law exams still relevant?
- How should law schools and employers adapt?
- What new skills matter most in an AI-enabled legal future?
#ChatGPT #LegalTech #FutureOfLaw #AIinEducation #OpenAI #MetaAI #LegalInnovation #2030VisionPodcast
AI and the Future of Law is your essential podcast for understanding how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the legal industry. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, each episode delves into cutting-edge technologies, trends, and strategies, providing invaluable insights for legal professionals, tech enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the future of law. Join us as we navigate the evolving landscape of AI, empowering the legal community to thrive in an era of unprecedented innovation.
Produced by Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association
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What Just Happened? Google, OpenAI, Anthropic, and the AI Firehose
10 juni 2025 · 47 min
Episode Highlights Lees meer
(03:27) Bridget’s AI Aha: Building “Bridget’s Second Brain” using ChatGPT and Microsoft tools
(11:05) Jen’s AI Aha: AI itineraries, sci-fi style research, and nail polish via ChatGPT
(17:30) What Just Happened: The firehose of announcements from Google I/O
(24:28) Claude Opus 4 and the “grown, not built” philosophy at Anthropic
(37:59) Microsoft’s AI plumbing: Connecting court systems and scaling impact
(41:08) OpenAI & Jony Ive: Rethinking hardware for a world beyond screens
Episode Description
Is it possible to keep up with AI when the pace of innovation feels like a firehose? Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack recap an extraordinary week of AI announcements from Google, OpenAI, Microsoft, and Anthropic—and explain why every lawyer should be paying attention. From Claude Opus 4’s “grown, not built” philosophy to Sam Altman’s $6.5B play to redesign hardware with Jony Ive, the future of AI is arriving fast—and it's already changing how legal professionals work.
Bridget shares how ChatGPT helped her build a personal “Second Brain” for organizing professional chaos, while Jen experiments with AI trip planning, voice-mode research, and on-the-go translation. They also dive into the generational shift in how engineers and researchers think about innovation—“We’ll solve for that”—and why the legal world needs to adopt that mindset.
If you’ve been waiting for the right moment to explore AI tools, this is your wake-up call. Because the most important takeaway from this episode? You’re not too late. But you don’t want to fall further behind.
Key Takeaways
Google isn’t just adding AI—they’re rebuilding their entire ecosystem around it. With Gemini integrated into search, docs, and even hardware, the tools lawyers already use are becoming AI-native by default.
Claude Opus 4 Isn’t Just Smart—It’s Reflective: With its “grown, not built” mindset, Claude challenges how we understand AI. It’s not about perfect outputs—it’s about persistent, deep rea…
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The UK Just Approved an AI-Only Law Firm. Is the U.S. Ready?
27 mei 2025 · 38 min
In this episode of 2030 Vision, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore OpenAI’s surprising executive reshuffle, Google's declining grip on search to the UK’s official authorization of Garfield Law, the first an AI-native law firm. Lees meer
Jen and Bridget analyze the implications of Garfield AI's regulatory approval, the practical limits of paraprofessional models in the U.S., and how agile regulation could unlock innovation while maintaining public trust. They also examine the concept of Jae Um’s "Bionic Boutiques", law firms that blend elite legal expertise with AI-powered agents and debate how this model could redefine leverage, value, and access to justice.
They share personal insights on using AI to evaluate website quality and prepare for a live television interview, while reflecting on broader shifts in legal education, practice, and client service as the profession adapts to a world rapidly approaching AGI.
Episode Highlights:
(2:54) Bridget’s AI Aha! From foraging on the Appalachian Trail to prepping for live TV, Bridget shares how AI helped identify mushrooms and simulate interview feedback.
(4:48) Jen’s AI Aha! Jen runs her website through Ogilvy’s marketing taxonomy—then gets ChatGPT to tailor it for legal audiences. Game-changer for law firm sites.
(7:03) What Just Happened at OpenAI OpenAI appoints a second CEO. Are they splitting responsibilities ahead of AGI? And what does it mean for the future of applications?
(12:38) Google’s Antitrust Trial & Search Decline Apple execs reveal Google Search usage is dropping—for the first time in 20 years. Is AI replacing traditional search?
(15:58) Garfield AI: UK’s First AI-Only Law Firm Meet Garfield Law: approved by UK regulators to deliver legal services entirely through AI. What does this mean for U.S. regulation?
(29:58) Bionic Boutiques & the Future of Legal Practice Jae Um’s bold predictions: $10K/hour partners, AI agents doing associate work, and billion-dollar firms with zero overhead. Are bionic bo…
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Can AI Be More Persuasive Than a Human Lawyer?
13 mei 2025 · 41 min
In this episode, Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore a mind-bending new study where AI bots outperformed humans in changing people’s minds on Reddit — by a long shot. What does this mean for the legal profession, where persuasion is core to the craft? Lees meer
From evaluating reasoning-first models like OpenAI’s new o3 and Google’s Gemini 2.5, to watching AI walk through logic, fix math errors, and even critique your work with a little snark, Bridget and Jen break down the rapid advancements redefining competence and advocacy in real time.
They also share how memory-enabled AI is reshaping their workflows, the rise of “AI bias” in AI-generated summaries, and the deep implications for lawyers, clients, and law students alike. If AI can generate more persuasive legal arguments — what’s left for us? And how should law schools adapt?
Episode Highlights:
3:54 - AI Aha! Moment: AI Spots Your Blind Spots and Helps You Improve
14:52 What Just Happened: Are We Already Living with AGI (Artificial General Intelligence)?
25:55 -Why AI Wins More Arguments Than Lawyers
Key Discussion Points:
What the Reddit persuasion study reveals about AI’s rhetorical superpowers.
How AI memory and voice interfaces are transforming legal workflows and personal insight.
Why lawyers should expect clients, co-counsel, and judges to already be using AI.
The double-edged sword of AI hallucinations in reasoning models — and how to prompt around them.
Real-world use cases for AI-enhanced persuasive strategies in law.
The future of legal education: How schools might teach persuasion differently in an AI-first world.
Why lawyers may soon be responding to AI critiques of their own work product.
Keywords
AI persuasion, legal tech, reasoning models, ChatGPT memory, AGI, OpenAI o3, Gemini 2.5, Change My View study, AI hallucinations, legal argumentation, law school innovation, client communication, negotiation, voice mode AI, ElevenLabs, HeyGen, RAG, future of lawyering, professional skills, R…
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The Ethics of AI in Lawyering: Is It Unethical Not to Use AI?
29 april 2025 · 30 min
Is it possible that not using AI could soon be seen as unethical for lawyers? Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard dive into two recent Georgia cases where savvy use of AI helped lawyers win major verdicts and why these examples could signal a turning point in professional responsibility. Lees meer
Along the way, Bridget shares her AI "aha" moment with ChatGPT acting as a woods guide (and porcupine expert), while Jen explores how AI’s voice mode turbocharged her workflow. They also unpack the provocative AI 2027 Report, which predicts a near-future explosion of superintelligent AI and its impact on law, society, and ethics.
From personal injury trials to global AI arms races, this episode challenges listeners to reimagine what “competence” looks like in a rapidly evolving profession and why AI isn’t just a tool, but a future teammate you can’t afford to ignore.
Episode Highlights:
(02:54) Bridget’s AI Aha: Using ChatGPT as a nature guide and getting schooled on porcupines
(05:49) Jen’s AI Aha: Voice-mode website editing and using ElevenLabs for hands-free learning
(9:50) What Just Happened: Exploring the AI 2027 Report and the path to superintelligence
(19:16) Lawyers, Ethics, and AI: Two Georgia cases show why ethical duties may be shifting
(23:45) Rethinking Client Advocacy: Why using AI could become a new professional mandate
Key Discussion Points:
How AI is changing everyday problem-solving and new ways AI assistants boost productivity and creativity in professional work.
The AI 2027 Forecast: Why researchers believe super intelligent AI could arrive by 2027—and what that means for law and society.
Two medical malpractice cases illustrate how AI-assisted research and storytelling can transform trial outcomes.
Why integrating AI thoughtfully may soon be required for ethical, client-centered lawyering.
What rising anxiety around AI means for lawyers and their clients.
How AI levels the playing field for plaintiffs’ lawyers, solo practitioners, and small firms.
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Future-Proofing Your Law Firm: Lessons from AI Benchmarking
15 april 2025 · 38 min
What happens when AI performs on par with lawyers—and even beats them at key tasks? Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore the implications of the VAL benchmarking report, which compares top legal AI tools to real-life attorneys on real-world tasks. They also break down new research from Wharton’s Ethan Mollick on “cybernetic teammates”—and what it means when AI tools boost not just productivity, but morale. With insights on team design, junior lawyer development, change management, and the emotional impact of AI at work, this episode challenges legal leaders to think beyond tools—and toward transformation. Lees meer
Episode Highlights:
(02:16) Bridget’s AI Aha: Convincing a law professor of AI’s potential—live with DeepResearch
(5:40) Claude meets city government: AI as a behind-the-scenes comms partner
(11:39) What is a “cybernetic teammate”—and how can AI reshape teamwork?
(24:57) The VAL benchmarking report: Legal AI tools vs. human lawyers
(31:34) What AI means for the future of junior lawyers, specialties, and practice area silos
Key Discussion Points:
The DeepResearch Reveal: Why watching AI in action can convert even the most skeptical lawyers.
The Cybernetic Teammate: Insights from Ethan Mollick's latest study on AI’s role in boosting performance, knowledge sharing, and emotional engagement.
Lawyers vs. AI: What VAL’s benchmarking report reveals about AI performance on real legal tasks—and what it doesn’t.
Beyond Specialization: How AI could break down practice-area silos and return power to the generalist.
Rethinking Legal Teams: Why junior lawyers might soon work across disciplines—and with AI—as their first teammates.
Emotions and Engagement: Surprising findings about AI’s impact on how legal professionals feel about their work.
Training the Next Generation: How legal education and professional development must evolve for the AI era.
Keywords: AI in law, cybernetic teammate, Ethan Mollick, VAL benchmarking, legal education, legal AI tools, legal…
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Live from Legal Week 2025: Unveiling a New AI Course for Lawyers
1 april 2025 · 32 min
In this special Legal Week edition of 2030 Vision, co-hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack reunite in person to unveil a groundbreaking new online course built to help legal professionals lead through AI-driven change. Designed for law firm leaders, individual lawyers, and legal organizations of all sizes, the course offers actionable frameworks for navigating disruption with confidence and clarity. Lees meer
Jen and Bridget share behind-the-scenes insights into how the course was created, what makes it different from others on the market, and why mindset—not tools—is the most powerful driver of innovation. From solo practitioners to law students, this course empowers learners to become proactive change agents in a rapidly evolving legal landscape. They also explore what it means to build a culture of curiosity, how to move beyond “innovation by press release,” and why learner-centric legal education is the key to staying competitive. With reflections on the future of law, leadership, and scalable education, this episode offers both practical takeaways and big-picture vision.
Explore the new AI course for legal professionals: https://aaaicourse.org/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=2030vision&utm_campaign=ep20launch
Built for law firm leaders, lawyers, and legal professionals ready to lead through AI-driven change.
Key Discussion Points:
The Future of Legal Education: Why traditional models no longer meet the moment—and how this new AI course helps close the gap.
Tools vs. Thinking: The critical difference between using AI and adopting an AI-ready mindset.
Leadership in Disruption: Why AI change management is more about people and mindset than the technology itself.
Culture Shift in Law: How fostering curiosity, experimentation, and friendly competition can drive innovation across firms.
Scaling Innovation: Lessons in learner-centric design and the power of democratizing legal knowledge at scale.
Inside a Legal Transformation: What the American Arbitration Associat…
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Law Firms Want AI-Ready Lawyers: So Why Aren’t They Hiring Them?
18 maart 2025 · 39 min
In this episode of 2030 Vision, Jennifer Leonard and Bridget McCormack dive into the evolving landscape of AI in the legal profession. They share personal experiences with AI tools, discuss the latest advancements in AI models, and explore the implications of artificial general intelligence (AGI). The conversation touches on the future of legal education, the skills that will define the next generation of lawyers, and why leadership and transparency will be critical in shaping the profession. Lees meer
Key Discussion Points:
How AI is reshaping legal work and the skills needed for success
The real-world benefits of AI tools, as experienced by legal professionals
Major advancements in AI, including the latest model releases
The approach of legal education in adapting to AI-driven changes
The impact of AGI on law and society at large
The role of leadership in promoting transparency and innovation in law firms
How law firms and legal institutions can proactively embrace technology
The necessity of strong interpersonal and ethical reasoning skills in future lawyers
Keywords:
AI, law, future of law, legal education, AGI, technology, legal profession, skills, leadership, transparency
About the Podcast:
2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution.
Produced by: Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association.
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AI in Legal Research: The Battle Over Copyright and Innovation
4 maart 2025 · 42 min
In this episode of 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law, Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard break down two major AI stories shaking up the legal industry: Elon Musk’s unsolicited $97.4 billion bid to buy OpenAI and the landmark Thomson Reuters v. Ross AI case, which sets a critical precedent for AI training data and copyright law. Lees meer
They also explore OpenAI’s new Deep Research tool, which is revolutionizing how legal professionals conduct research. As AI-powered tools become increasingly sophisticated, law firms face urgent questions: How will AI impact legal research? Will legal paywalls survive? And is the legal industry moving too slowly to adapt?
From the growing market for AI training data licensing to AI’s potential role in democratizing legal services, this episode examines how the future of law is being rewritten in real time.
Key Discussion Points:
AI Aha! Moment: Why even the free version of AI tools is disrupting legal research.
Elon Musk vs. OpenAI: A $97B bid, a legal battle, and what’s really at stake.
Thomson Reuters v. Ross AI: The case that could shape AI copyright law for decades.
AI Training Data & Copyright: Can AI companies train on proprietary legal headnotes?
Legal Paywalls & AI Research: Will legal information stay locked, or is a shift coming?
Deep Research & the Future of Legal Tech: How OpenAI’s new tool is changing research and strategy.
The Divide in Legal AI Adoption: Why some law firms are embracing AI while others hesitate.
The Bigger Picture: What this means for legal education, innovation, and access to justice.
Keywords:
AI, Law, Legal Tech, Generative AI, AI Research, Legal Innovation, OpenAI, Elon Musk, Thomson Reuters v. Ross AI, Copyright Law, AI Training Data, Deep Research, Legal Access, Future of Work, AI in Law
About the Podcast:
2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this po…
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Generative AI and the Courts: Expanding Legal Access or Opening the Floodgates?
18 februari 2025 · 44 min
In this episode of 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law, Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore how AI is reshaping legal access, communication, and decision-making. They discuss OpenAI’s Deep Research tool and DeepSeq’s disruptive AI model, which could democratize AI and challenge big tech. Lees meer
Beyond law, they examine AI’s growing role in healthcare and education, while emphasizing that human expertise remains crucial in legal processes. They also tackle how AI-driven tools can lower legal costs, expand access to justice, and streamline dispute resolution, particularly for low-dollar claims that often go unresolved.
While some fear AI will flood courts with frivolous lawsuits, Bridget and Jen argue its real potential lies in making legal services more accessible. With governments and startups investing in AI-powered legal solutions, the profession faces a turning point—one that demands innovation while ensuring fairness and efficiency.
AI in Law: The Communication Challenge: How legal professionals can better explain AI’s impact and bridge knowledge gaps.
The Human Element in Legal Processes: Why procedural fairness and human connection remain central to justice.
Generative AI’s Role in Healthcare & Education: AI as a diagnostic assistant and self-directed learning tool.
DeepSeq’s Disruption: A new AI player that could democratize development and challenge the US-China AI race.
AI as a 24/7 Thought Partner: Using AI for legal strategy, research, and professional development.
Expanding Access to Justice: AI-driven platforms are helping individuals file claims and resolve disputes more efficiently.
Balancing Innovation & System Integrity: Addressing concerns about frivolous lawsuits while enhancing legitimate legal claims.
AI & Government Solutions: How policymakers and public institutions can use AI to modernize legal infrastructure.
Keywords: AI, Law, Generative AI, Legal Profession, Communication, Education, Healthcare, Deepseq, DeepSeek Technology, A…
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AI and the Future of Legal Jobs: What Law Firms Must Do to Stay Competitive
4 februari 2025 · 40 min
In this episode of 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law, Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping the legal job market and what law firms must do to stay competitive. They dive into the World Economic Forum’s Jobs Report 2025 and the Thomson Reuters & Georgetown Report on the State of the Legal Market, breaking down the key findings and their implications for legal professionals. Lees meer
From the rise of AI-powered legal roles to the leadership challenges law firms face, the hosts discuss the critical skills lawyers will need, the importance of AI strategies at the C-suite level, and how firms can prepare for the coming transformation. With law firms experiencing record profits yet facing mounting pressure to innovate, this episode highlights why 2025 is a pivotal year for the profession.
AI Aha! Moment: How AI is Transforming Legal Research: The hosts share their AI insights for the week, including how generative AI is being used for legal research, document analysis, and strategic decision-making.
Defining Persona Prompting & AAA’s AI Innovation Initiative: The hosts explore the concept of persona prompting—how lawyers can use AI to simulate different perspectives, enhance client interactions, and refine legal strategies. They also introduce the American Arbitration Association’s new AI initiative, which focuses on helping legal organizations navigate generative AI, implement change management strategies, and upskill their teams for the future.
AI and the Future of Legal Jobs: The World Economic Forum’s Jobs Report predicts major shifts in employment, with legal roles evolving due to AI automation and the demand for new skill sets.
Law Firm Strategy in 2025: The Thomson Reuters & Georgetown Report highlights that while law firms had a strong financial year, only half have begun integrating AI strategy at the leadership level—creating a growing divide in the market.
Upskilling and Adaptation: With nearly 40% of workers’ cor…
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AI Revolution in 2025? What Lawyers Missed Over the Holidays
21 januari 2025 · 47 min
In this episode of 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law, Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore how generative AI is revolutionizing legal practice. They discuss major December 2024 advancements like OpenAI’s "12 Days of Shipmas," Google’s Gemini 2.0, and Amazon’s Nova Suite. From fine-tuning AI models for legal use to integrating tools like Deep Research, this episode highlights how AI is streamlining workflows, enhancing accessibility, and reshaping the legal profession. The hosts also share predictions for 2025, emphasizing the rise of AI agents, increased collaboration, and the growing need for lawyers to adapt to AI-driven change. Lees meer
Key Takeaways:
AI Aha! Moment: Google’s Deep Research Tool: Google’s Deep Research offers powerful contextual insights, delivering comprehensive legal research and drafting capabilities that rival traditional methods.
Fine-Tuning for Legal Applications: Customizing AI models with niche datasets ensures confidence in outputs and helps address specific challenges in legal workflows.
OpenAI’s 12 Days of Shipmas: OpenAI’s December updates introduced advanced reasoning models, ChatGPT Pro, and groundbreaking voice and video features, setting a new standard for generative AI.
Google’s Gemini 2.0: Gemini 2.0 combines multimodal inputs, advanced deep research, and seamless integration with Google Docs, redefining AI capabilities for lawyers.
Amazon’s Nova Suite: Amazon’s entry into generative AI with Nova Suite signals a major shift, offering tools for legal professionals to enhance content creation and improve efficiency.
AI Predictions for 2025: This year will see AI agents as integral team members, greater public access to legal information, and lawyers adapting to an accelerated AI landscape.
Collaboration and Innovation: AI will foster collaboration between lawyers, clients, and technology, empowering the legal profession to serve more people efficiently.
Keywords: AI, Generative AI, Legal Technology, Google Gemini 2.0, Ope…
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Navigating Regulatory Risk: How AI Will Impact the Future of Legal Engagement
7 januari 2025 · 44 min
In this episode of 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law, hosts Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore how generative AI is transforming legal and regulatory landscapes, focusing on two compelling examples: insights from the HBR article "Gen AI Makes Legal Action Cheap, and Companies Need to Prepare" and Adam Unikowski’s analysis of NEPA’s environmental impact statement process. Lees meer
They begin with their AI aHa moments, highlighting how voice mode has revolutionized their interactions with generative AI, enabling multitasking and deep learning. The discussion transitions into defining synthetic data, explaining its growing significance for training AI models ethically and effectively.
In the main discussion, Bridget and Jen unpack how generative AI can disrupt regulatory processes, using examples like the crypto industry's AI-driven public commentary campaign to delay U.S. Treasury rulemaking. They also explore Adam Unikowski’s forward-looking suggestions for using AI to streamline environmental impact statements, improve public engagement, and reduce judicial burdens. The episode underscores AI's dual potential to drive efficiency while introducing new risks, emphasizing the importance of collaboration, education, and forward-thinking strategies.
Key Takeaways
Voice Mode as a Game-Changer: Voice mode allows seamless, conversational interactions with generative AI, enhancing productivity and enabling multitasking for legal professionals.
Synthetic Data Addresses AI Training Challenges: AI-generated synthetic data mimics real-world data, solving issues like privacy concerns and limited training datasets while scaling AI responsibly.
HBR Highlights Regulatory Risks of AI: The crypto industry’s use of generative AI to generate 120,000 public comments illustrates how AI can overwhelm regulatory systems, delaying rulemaking and introducing risks.
Preparing for AI-Driven Legal Action: Businesses and law firms should adopt proactive strategies like red teaming, work…
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Can AI Replace Human Judgment? Medicine, Law, and the Future
17 december 2024 · 45 min
In this episode of 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law, hosts Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard unpack groundbreaking insights from a JAMA study that compares the diagnostic capabilities of ChatGPT with human doctors. Drawing compelling parallels to the legal profession, they explore how generative AI could reshape legal research, improve efficiency, and challenge long-standing notions of professional judgment and subjectivity. Lees meer
Through interdisciplinary insights, Jen and Bridget highlight the parallels and contrasts between medicine and law—such as the objective nature of medical diagnostics versus the subjective complexities of legal outcomes—and emphasize the urgent need for innovation, ethical considerations, and transparency in both fields.
The conversation delves into personal AI aha moments, clarifies essential terms like zero-shot and few-shot prompting, and considers how AI adoption in medicine might provide valuable lessons for the legal field. They discuss overcoming algorithmic aversion, increasing transparency, and rethinking professional roles as technology advances.
Key Takeaways
AI tools like ChatGPT can significantly reduce time spent on tasks, acting as a thought partner for lawyers and doctors to increase efficiency and creativity.
A recent study showed that GPT-4’s diagnostic accuracy surpassed both individual doctors and doctors using AI as support, highlighting the potential for AI in high-stakes decision-making.
Experts often resist AI insights, preferring their own judgment even when evidence supports AI recommendations—a challenge for both medicine and law.
While medical diagnosis is inherently objective and evidence-driven, the legal system is more subjective, relying on interpretation and context.
Understanding terms like zero-shot prompting (no examples) and few-shot prompting (using examples) is essential for maximizing AI's potential in professional tasks.
Greater transparency in judicial decision-making, akin to evidence-bas…