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Moving Houses & Trading Acreage for Cadillacs with Andrew Keck
13 oktober 2026 · 55 min
Andrew Keck of Paloma Resources once moved a landowner's house to make room for a drill-site road. He also took a Cadillac Escalade as part of a New Mexico acreage deal. Lees meer
Drew and Jerris open with homemade show t-shirts and a call for production and marketing help. Andrew, Senior Vice President and General Legal Counsel at Paloma Resources in Houston, started as a broker with Vernon Smith and Dudley, then worked surface and rights-of-way for Anadarko in Pennsylvania and Hess in Ohio. Since 2015 he has helped Paloma build multiple private equity-backed companies from zero acres. He also covers the sale of Paloma Permian, how he uses AI every day, and what technology still can't replace in land work.
In this episode:
• How a private equity operator builds acreage from nothing, sells it, and starts again
• Why Pennsylvania and Ohio landowners reacted so differently to drilling
• The road deal that moved a family's house, and the acreage trade that came with an Escalade
• Where AI already saves time in due diligence and land admin, and where title judgment still needs people
• Career advice for new landmen as the industry faces a generational gapChapters:
00:00 Custom T-Shirts, Office Studio Upgrades & RDLS Hiring Call
05:35 Introducing Andrew Keck: UCO Bronchos to Tulsa Law School
08:26 Early Broker Days: Vernon Smith, Dudley Land & The Marcellus Shift
10:44 Anadarko, Rig Food & Surface Rights in Pennsylvania vs. Ohio Utica
15:36 Joining Paloma Resources & The Private Equity Build-and-Sell Model
23:30 Aptitudes for PE vs. Corporate Land & Advice for New Landmen
29:24 Landowner Dogs: Winning Friends with Bacon & Escaping in the F-150 Bed
32:41 Out-of-the-Box Deals: Moving a House & The 1,100-HP Escalade
38:10 Selling Paloma Permian, Due Diligence & Launching Paloma Permian 2
41:56 Implementing AI in Land Admin, Legal Contracts & Document Scrubbing
44:41 Why Relationships & Title Subjectivity Can't Be Replaced
48:22 Open Offer for New Mexico Acreage & Show Wrap-UpL…
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Episode 47: From Rock 'n' Roll to Wellhead Compute with Jon Taylor
15 september 2026 · 52 min
This episode kicks off with Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson breaking down the new baseball rule changes that are making games faster than NBA matchups. The conversation gets back on track when guest Jon Taylor reveals his past life as guitarist for a 1990s cover band called Modern Art, which toured the college circuit playing 250 shows a year and closing with Nine Inch Nails. Lees meer
Beyond his rock-and-roll roots, Jon is the Co-Founder of Blue Hawk Energy Solutions. Drawing on his background in media production and Bitcoin mine optimization training, Jon explains how Blue Hawk is facilitating transactions between oil and gas operators with stranded natural gas assets and digital compute developers. The episode walks through the exact physical setup at a wellhead mining site (reciprocating generators, transformers, CCAN containers, ASICs, and Starlink links) and contrasts small-scale stranded gas Bitcoin mining with large-scale AI powered land and data center development. Jon offers sharp insights on fixed-price gas contracts versus Waha hub volatility, navigating the overinflated "wedding tax" on AI data center land, cutting through broker noise to connect real buyers and sellers, and delivering his elevator pitch for turning lost energy into revenue.
Learn more about Blue Hawk Energy Solutions: BluehawkBTC.com
Connect with Jon Taylor on LinkedIn.
Email Jon directly: jontaylor@bluehawkbtc.comFollow The Real Deal Landman Show on LinkedIn for video snippets, industry news, and job postings!
Key Takeaways:
Blue Hawk: Facilitating deals that convert stranded, flared, or undervalued natural gas into digital compute power.
Wellhead Bitcoin Architecture: Monetizing off-grid gas using reciprocating generators, transformers, CCAN containers, ASIC miners, and Starlink satellite connectivity.
Bitcoin Mining vs. AI Data Centers: Bitcoin mining targets small, off-grid stranded gas (125–300 MCF) that lacks fiber or water. In contrast, AI data centers requires much larger "power…
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Episode 46: From the Ground to the Cloud with Ryan Fitzgerald
2 september 2026 · 46 min
Drew and Jerris happened to both be in Arizona at the same time for the annual conference of the National Association of Lease and Title Analysts. They also had the opportunity to sit down with Ryan Fitzgerald, CEO & Co-Founder of GreenFlare Technology. Lees meer
They explored the operational complexities of Bitcoin mining alongside oil and gas activities, the importance of location, and climate's impact on mining operations. The conversation covers the challenges of setting up and managing data centers, the complexities of handling royalties in the oil and gas industry, the competitive landscape of Bitcoin mining and AI-centric data center projects, and the future of GreenFlare's operations.
Connect with Ryan Fitzgerald on LinkedIn and learn more about GreenFlare Technology at https://www.greenflaretech.com/
Takeaways
Bitcoin mining alongside oil and gas activities has operational complexities but is worth pursuing.
Locations significantly impact Bitcoin mining operations. Portable data center solutions are complex and risky, requiring careful planning and coordination.
Royalties in the oil and gas industry are handled through gas purchase agreements, but the emergence of AI-centric data centers presents new challenges and opportunities for compensation.
GreenFlare is additionally focused on AI-centric data center projects, leveraging existing powered land sites and fuel contracts.
The conversation highlights the complexities of setting up and managing data centers, the competitive nature of the Bitcoin mining and AI-centric data center market, and the future direction of GreenFlare's operations.
Chapters
00:00 The NALTA Convention in Chandler, Arizona
02:21 Ryan Fitzgerald's Journey and ASU's Business Program
04:16 Transition to Land Work and Bitcoin Mining
13:40 Operational Complexities of Bitcoin Mining
17:01 Impact of Location and Climate on Mining Operations
23:35 Challenges of Portable Data Center Solutions
25:27 Handling Royalties in the Oil and Gas I…
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Episode 45: Lessons on Persistence and Adaptability with Rhett Reeves
13 augustus 2026 · 47 min
If you were going to have three movies with you on a deserted island, what would they be? Lees meer
We promise you won’t be able to guess Drew’s top pick, but we’re so glad we have it recorded.
As for more valuable lessons, the Real Deal Landman Show was pleased to host Rhett Reeves, Manager of Corporate Development at Riverbend Energy Group. Rhett shares his journey in the oil and gas industry, highlighting the importance of adaptability, persistence, and building relationships. He discusses industry trends and the impact of AI, and offers practical advice for landmen and industry newcomers, especially during a difficult job search.
Some of Rhett’s tips for ongoing success:
Leverage online resources, such as LinkedIn and job boards for job hunting.
Build relationships through local chapters and industry events.
Stay current with industry trends, including AI and technology.
Develop your own tools and online presence to stand out.
When it gets tough, stay persistent.
Connect with Rhett Reeves on LinkedIn, and learn more about Riverbend Energy Group at https://www.riverbendenergygroup.com/
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Episode 44: You Down with IPP? (Kyle Reynolds)
16 juli 2026 · 45 min
Kyle Reynolds is the Immediate Past President of the American Association of Professional Landman. He is also about to become an inaugural member of the “Real Deal Landman Eats.” Lees meer
The former landman royalty takes a breath after his presidency and speaks with Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson about what he learned from his interactions with the 11,000+ AAPL members across the United States. Among the important issues discussed were the speculated impacts of AI and stagnant day rates. What seems certain is that the profession will undergo changes that will create numerous opportunities to evolve and engage in a broader spectrum of land and energy. It’s also guaranteed that Kyle will continue to be a leader, a friend to the industry, and a fan and adventurer of interesting eats. The next time you see Kyle, introduce yourself, shake his hand, and thank him for a job well done.
RDLS continues to grow! Be sure to follow on LinkedIn for landman job postings, industry news, and shameless plugs for the show.
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Episode 43: Stack Your Oil and Gas Data with Kyla Lawson
23 juni 2026 · 44 min
Recent episodes of the Real Deal Landman Show have emphasized the innovative technological landscape, including AI, data centers, and fractional investment opportunities in oil and gas assets.
(If you enjoy geeky, tech discussions, be sure to check out past episodes.) Lees meerTo get the greatest effectiveness out of your AI initiatives, it’s important to have clean data. The StackDX platform is comprehensive and offers numerous features, but what many customers appreciate is the value it adds to the data they already own.
In the first truly international episode, Jerris joins Kyla Lawson of Stack Technologies in Calgary to talk about farming, career beginnings, building and selling EnergyLink, and now, the proliferation of StackDX in North America.
Connect with Kyla and Stack on LinkedIn and learn more about the platform at StackDX.com
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Episode 42: Oil and Gas Investing for Everyone with Tokenized Energy
9 juni 2026 · 46 min
So many listeners of the Real Deal Landman Show work in the oil and gas industry, yet how many own assets themselves? The RDLS welcomes back Tim Pawul (previously on Episode 20) and introduces Chip Simmons and Adrian Macias of Tokenized Energy. Lees meer
Recent episodes have explored many thoughts about artificial intelligence, data centers, and the rapidly approaching future of the landman profession. This conversation builds on those concepts, arguing that technology has now made it possible for anyone to start building a portfolio of oil and gas investments with a smaller initial contribution than you might think.
After you watch or listen to the full episode (and subscribe, of course), be sure to check out https://tokenizedenergy.com/ to learn how to further your journey as a real deal landman… or geologist… or engineer… or HR rep… or…Disclaimer: The information discussed on this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and is not intended as financial, investment, tax, or legal advice. Opinions expressed are those of the hosts and guests and may not reflect current market conditions. You should not rely on this information as a substitute for professional advice tailored to your individual situation.
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Episode 41: Catfish, Software, and Data Centers with Jake Anderson
29 mei 2026 · 50 min
In case you needed more proof that Drew Hopkins is the main attraction on the Real Deal Landman Show, this episode introduces another fascinating aspect of his life: catfish noodling. Watch the full episode video and see a picture of the biggest monster (literally) that he has caught. Lees meer
We were pleased to have Jake Anderson of PV Case with us. Jake and his team built an incredible product for scouting and identifying sites for renewable energy projects. It has scaled worldwide and has incorporated critical attributes for data center development. And for those who have been following the jaw-dropping numbers about data centers, Jake offers cautionary wisdom to question what we see in the headlines.
Contact Jake at jake@pvcase.com and take a look at the PVCase Prospect tool: https://pvcase.com/prospect.
RDLS just hit 1K followers on LinkedIn! Follow us there for video snippets, random theme songs, industry news, and landman job postings.
Takeaways
Renewable Energy Site Selection
Data Center Expansion Data Center Development
Energy Grid Challenges
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Noodling Stories
06:09 Jake Anderson's Background and Company Journey
16:36 Site Selection for Renewable Energy
24:32 Impact of Renewable Energy Pullback and New Use Cases
31:42 Data Center Development
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Episode 40: What AI is Doing for Owner Relations with Dagen Boyd
12 mei 2026 · 53 min
Well more than a month after it’s over, this seems like the perfect time to share our NCAA March Madness predictions. Note that Dagen Boyd, Co-founder of Firm.App, called it perfectly. Lees meer
Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson hear Dagen's story and his experiences with evolving, innovative technology, particularly how AI can revolutionize owner relations and customer service in the oil and gas industry and continue to impact other roles and workflows in operations.
If you're fascinated by the capabilities and ongoing impacts of artificial intelligence, this is an episode you'll enjoy.
Follow Dagen Boyd on LinkedIn and learn about Firm.App.Chapters
00:00 March Madness
06:04 The Development of Firm.App
28:27 The Role of AI in Owner Relations
42:05 The Evolution of Job Roles with AI
53:38 The Future Impact of AI
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Episode 39: The Colocation Loophole with Brendan O'Donnell
30 april 2026 · 38 min
This episode of The Real Deal Landman Show kicks off with Drew Hopkins talking about his experiences at MLB Spring Training. (He didn't make any of the teams.)
It goes on to introduce Brendan O'Donnell of the Pittsburgh-based Houston Harbaugh law firm and feature a discussion on oil and gas law, data centers, and lease agreements. Brendan has the opportunity to provide legal representation for landowners in oil and gas matters. He is experienced with complicated title and royalty issues, and he has recently introduced an interesting concept about a loophole that might exist in co-locating data center development with oil and gas operations. Lees meerRead "The Colocation Loophole" as part of "The Oil and Gas Addendum" blog on the Houston Harbaugh website at hh-law.com.
Find and connect with Brendan on LinkedIn.
As a reminder, this episode in no way constitutes as legal advice.
Takeaways
Oil and gas law
Data centers and oil and gas operations
Lease agreements and royalty clauses
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Real Deal Landman Show
05:36 Recording Across Three Time Zones
10:48 Title Issues and Historical Oil and Gas Law in Pennsylvania
19:13 The Co-Location Loophole and Data Centers Impact on Oil and Gas Operations
26:43 Potential Litigation and Future Implications of Oil and Gas Law
37:55 Negotiating Oil and Gas Leases and Preventing Legal Issues
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Episode 38: His Honorable Secretarial Highness, Dan Whitmarsh of the Oklahoma CLO
24 april 2026 · 47 min
The Real Deal Landman Show has welcomed many interesting and influential people, but this one includes actual royalty. Lees meer
Dan Whitmarsh is the current appointed Secretary of the Commissioners of the Land Office of Oklahoma. Yet, somehow, he found time to give Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson an education on Oklahoma state land ownership, revenue generation for schools, and the office’s interaction with energy companies.
Secretary Whitmarsh offers insights into the complexities of the agency’s operations, the challenges of navigating legislative dynamics, and lesser-known facts and practices of the CLO that most people may never have heard of. Listen in to hear about the potential for public-private partnerships, his unique and insightful career background, and his vision for the agency’s legacy.
Chapters
00:00 Unpredictable Oklahoma Weather
05:06 The Role of the Commission of the Land Office
12:09 The Land Office and State Land Ownership
17:17 Location of Schools on State Land
24:37 Agency Operations and Legislative Dynamics
33:33 Land Use and Revenue Allocation
41:31 Career Trajectory and Agency Legacy
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Episode 37: The NAPE 2026 Compilation
31 maart 2026 · 24 min
Drew Hopkins, Jerris Johnson, and The Real Deal Landman Show returned to NAPE (North American Prospect Expo) with a stylish booth in the nether regions of the conference, but plenty of giveaways and goodies to bribe visitors into coming to see them. The conversations covered various topics in the energy industry, including personal experiences, stories, and memories, as well as the significance of the main event. Discussions emphasized the role of data modernization and AI, the impact of being a landman, insights on energy management and data centers, and challenges and opportunities in the energy industry. Lees meer
Our thanks to NAPE for providing a space to set up a temporary shop and to the many fans (dare we say “fans”?) who made the trek out to the edge to say hello.
Featured Guests
Kyle Reynolds, AAPL President
Jeremy Bolder, Dakota Analytics
Trace Sutherlin, OU Energy Management Student
Wade Brawley, Land Legend
Kyla Lawson, StackDX
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Episode 36: Dudley Mifflin and Buried Ham ft. Brent Broussard
11 maart 2026 · 49 min
On The Real Deal Landman Show, Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson are honored to host guests with their own podcasts and successful ventures. For the legendary industry leaders who share valuable insights and others' experiences, we like to give them a chance to tell their own stories. Lees meer
The latest episode is with Brent Broussard of Dudley Land Company and The Land Department podcast.
Gems to be heard:
- Where did the Dudley name come from?
- What was the story of a ham buried in someone's backyard?
- Why is your reputation your most valuable asset, and how do you keep it strong?Connect with Brent on LinkedIn.
Check out Dudley Land Company at https://www.dudley-land.com/
Listen to The Land Department podcast everywhere you access The Real Deal Landman Show.
Follow us on LinkedIn and take a look at our mediocre website at https://realdeallandman.com.
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Episode 35: Shad Frazier - Build Teams that Can Change the World
16 februari 2026 · 44 min
In this episode of the Real Deal Landman Show, Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson converse with Shad Frazier, a popular energy executive. Shad shares his journey from a non-oil family in Colorado to becoming a prominent figure in the oil and gas sector. He discusses the importance of community, mentorship, and building effective teams. The conversation explores the role of technology, particularly AI, in the industry, the future of mergers and acquisitions, and the entrepreneurial spirit that is emerging in the energy space. Shad emphasizes the importance of strong relationships and communication between landmen and engineers and offers valuable advice to young professionals entering the field. Lees meer
Takeaways:
Building relationships is crucial for career success.
Mentorship plays a significant role in professional development.
AI will revolutionize the land space in the energy sector.
Effective communication between landmen and engineers is essential.
The energy industry is in a state of transition and opportunity.
Small teams can achieve great efficiency in operations.
Face-to-face interactions foster meaningful connections.
Entrepreneurship is key to the future of the energy industry.
Understanding technology is vital for seasoned professionals.
The value of landmen in assembling valuable assets cannot be overstated.
Keywords
energy industry, oil and gas, mentorship, leadership, technology, AI, entrepreneurship, communication, relationships, mergers and acquisitions
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Episode 34: Building a Data-Driven Marketplace with Ben Heinzelmann
4 februari 2026 · 51 min
In this episode, Ben Heinzelmann, CEO of Energy Domain, joins Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson to discuss the impacts of winter weather in areas not accustomed to it.
Ben, a software expert in the oil and gas industry, shares his journey from field landman to technology executive. Additional talking points include the evolution of the oil and gas sector and the importance of embracing technology and AI. Ben discusses his experiences founding, building, and selling MineralWare, and then starting the process over again with Energy Domain. Lees meerTakeaways
Embracing technology is crucial for working and operating in the energy space.
Data is becoming the new commodity in the oil and gas sector.
AI is transforming operational efficiency in the industry.
Understanding technology can enhance career prospects in energy management.
Connect with Ben on LinkedIn and learn more about Energy Domain at https://www.energydomain.com/
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Episode 33: Doing Everything Everywhere with Alex Wolfe and Dakota Lewis
13 januari 2026 · 48 min
It’s the first episode of 2026 on the Real Deal Landman Show with hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson sitting down in person with Alex Wolfe and Dakota Lewis of Three Points Land. They share insights on transitioning from oil and gas to renewable energy, the challenges faced in the profession, and the role of AI in improving land services. Lees meer
Other takeaways:
A psychology major and playing college football might be the perfect recipe for outshining your peers.
Solid work ethic is essential for success in the landman profession.
Job opportunities for landmen are expected to grow in the coming years.
Developing relationships in the industry can lead to unexpected opportunities.
Newcomers should say yes to every experience to gain knowledge and skills.
Get in touch with Alex and Dakota at
Alex@3pointsland.com
Dakota@3pointsland.com
Learn more about Three Points Land at https://www.threepointsland.com/
Keywords
landman, networking, oil and gas, renewable energy, AI, work ethic, job opportunities, industry trends, energy management, title services
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Episode 32: There Once Was a Maritime Lawyer Named Vin Caruso
12 december 2025 · 55 min
The Real Deal Landman Show is back with hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson getting to know Vincent Caruso. Talk about a fascinating path! Vin grew up on Long Island, but now lives in Houston. Vin was a maritime lawyer, but is now a managing director at Percheron. Lees meer
He has worked on many facets of land in virtually every aspect of energy. He values relationships with landowners and wants to ensure landmen treat them fairly.
This episode even highlights the value of scouting and earning the rank of Eagle Scout.
Reach out to Vin on LinkedIn and check out his blog at https://wanderuntethered.com/blog-running-with-the-mane/.
Learn more about Percheron at https://percheronllc.com/.
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Episode 31: The Paulabot with Paula Rauchfuss
19 november 2025 · 40 min
In this episode of the Real Deal Landman Show, hosts Jerris Johnson and Drew Hopkins welcome Paula Rauchfuss, a seasoned professional in land administration. The conversation covers Paula's extensive career journey, her experiences with software in the oil and gas industry, and the challenges of change management. They discuss the impact of AI and automation on land administration, the importance of staying relevant in one's career, and the value of relationships built throughout the years. Paula shares insights on overcoming reluctance to adopt new technologies and emphasizes the need for continuous learning and adaptation in the ever-evolving energy sector. Lees meer
Keywords
land administration, oil and gas, career journey, software evolution, AI in energy, change management, professional development, networking, automation, industry insights
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Episode 30: The NAPE Preview Episode with Drew Guntert and Caleb Rogers
4 november 2025 · 39 min
Special note about this episode: This could have also been called “The Tale of Two Drews”. For those of us out there not named “Drew”, there is apparently a real deal discussion on what is a “True Drew” versus an “Andrew”, and there are also some very strong feelings on the matter! Lees meer
It’s the time of year again to get out the Christmas decorations, wait for the new season of the Landman TV show, and make sure the blue blazer still fits for NAPE. And who better to tell us about NAPE Summit 2026 than Drew Guntert and Caleb Rogers?
The North American Prospect Expo is coming up on February 18-20 in Houston, Texas. If you’re a dealmaker and a networker, this is where you want to be. You can attend, sponsor, and pick up some education credits. Listen closely to find out how you might even save some money on your registration.
Find out more at https://napeexpo.com/ or get in touch with Drew or Caleb to learn how to make NAPE a truly worthwhile experience.
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Episode 29: Owner Relations at the NARO Conference with Ardy Amin
16 oktober 2025 · 35 min
If you are a mineral or royalty owner, and you have ever had a question or issue that needed resolution, you probably talked to someone in an owner relations department. At the recent annual convention of the National Association of Royalty Owners, hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson visited with Ardy Amin, the man who heads up owner relations for Ascent Resources. Lees meer
They discuss the evolution of owner relations, the importance of division orders, and the challenges faced during company acquisitions. The conversation also touches on the impact of AI on owner relations and the significance of personal connections in the industry. With insights from industry experts, the episode provides a comprehensive overview of the current state and future of interactions with mineral and royalty owners.
Our special thanks to PakEnergy (https://pakenergy.com/) for sponsoring this episode. In addition to serving over 2300 customers with services and software, PakEnergy also promotes thought leadership discussions. Learn strategies and insights at https://pakenergy.com/resources from top experts in the energy industry, and while you’re there, schedule a free demo to explore PakEnergy’s offerings.
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Episode 28: Empire Pro Wrestling with Colby Thelen and Drew Hopkins
1 oktober 2025 · 46 min
The title isn’t clickbait. This is a legit episode about wrestling. This conversation was recorded live for a webinar with the Dallas-Fort Worth Association of Lease and Title Analysts. Host Jerris Johnson sits down in the OKC studio with his guests, local celebrity Colby Thelen and another guy we’ve seen before, Drew Hopkins. It goes against the norm of what this podcast usually discusses, but listen in for the lessons that have become familiar with this show. And a reminder that we’re never too old to start something new, especially if it will bring joy to us and others in our community. Lees meer
Our special thanks to PakEnergy (https://pakenergy.com/) for sponsoring this episode. In addition to serving over 2300 customers with services and software, PakEnergy also promotes thought leadership discussions. Learn strategies and insights at https://pakenergy.com/resources from top experts in the energy industry, and while you’re there, schedule a free demo to explore PakEnergy’s offerings.
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Episode 27: At the NADOA Institute with Larry Coshow
25 september 2025 · 53 min
This conversation was recorded live in Boston at the annual institute of the National Association of Division Order Analysts. Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson were excited to bring back Larry Coshow, a legendary landman. It offers valuable insights for both new and experienced division order analysts and land professionals, highlighting the importance of networking, mentorship, and personal branding. The discussion also addresses the impact of health challenges on life priorities and the changing dynamics within the industry. This is an episode you’ll want to listen to, share, and send positive vibes to Larry for a quick and complete recovery. Lees meer
Our special thanks to PakEnergy (https://pakenergy.com/) for sponsoring this episode. In addition to serving over 2300 customers with services and software, PakEnergy also promotes thought leadership discussions. Learn strategies and insights at https://pakenergy.com/resources from top experts in the energy industry, and while you’re there, schedule a free demo to explore PakEnergy’s offerings.
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Episode 26: Nancy McCaskell is Larger Than Life
8 september 2025 · 51 min
Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson had the immense privilege to converse with Nancy McCaskell, who has a storied career as a landman, executive leader, and is the Immediate Past President of the American Association of Professional Landmen. Lees meer
Nancy shares her remarkable story of how she began her career in the profession and quickly advanced into leadership. And to follow her passion, she even took time away to be a high school teacher. Nancy is a forward thinker and a friend and example to many.
Connect with Nancy on LinkedIn and learn about her service offerings at https://www.masonboroenergy.com/.
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Episode 25: The Tulsa King with Hamel Reinmiller
26 augustus 2025 · 56 min
Drew Hopkins sits down in person with Hamel B. Reinmiller, EVP of Land, Legal & Business Development for Command Energy, for a candid conversation that leads to an inevitable conclusion: Hamel IS the Tulsa King. Lees meer
Jerris Johnson is on the episode too, but since he stayed home, it just doesn't seem to count as much.
Hamel shares his stories from the field, his education at the Virginia Military Institute, and the path that ultimately took him to his current kingdom. Hamel’s award-winning career as a landman is one you’ll want to hear about!
Connect with Hamel on LinkedIn and learn about Command Energy at https://www.commandenergyllc.com/
Keywords
#landmanagement #landman #podcast #management #technology #military #ai #oilandgas #tulsa #tulsaking #oklahoma #industry #adaptability
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Episode 24: Digitization and Collaboration with Scott Casso
31 juli 2025 · 58 min
Scott Casso of Casso Land & Imaging Services LLC joins Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson in The Real Deal Landman Show studio to share lessons of good old-fashioned hard work. Lees meer
What do you do when a global pandemic happens and threatens your business? Whatever it takes, including cleaning chickens in a butcher shop.
What do you do when you see a wave of new technology on the horizon? Embrace it, use it, and share it with others.
In this episode, Scott reflects on the sociological changes in land ownership and shares humorous anecdotes from his experiences in the field. The conversation emphasizes the importance of adapting to technological advancements and the need for collaboration in the industry.
Connect with Scott on LinkedIn and learn about his team and imaging services at https://www.cassoimaging.com/
Keywords
land management, COVID-19, technology, AI, digitization, title research, oil and gas, sociological changes, industry challenges, business adaptation
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Episode 23: From Wisconsin to Okie with Jonathan Rich
16 juli 2025 · 52 min
In this episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson sit down with their guest, Jonathan Rich, Vice President Land for Renewa, to discuss his journey as a landman, from early career experiences to the transition from oil and gas to renewable energy. They explore the importance of building relationships in the land business, the challenges of navigating contracts, and the evolving landscape of renewable energy investments. JR shares insights from his career, including the significance of trust in land deals and the complexities of working with landowners unfamiliar with renewable energy projects.
Reach out to JR on LinkedIn or through jrich@renewa.com. Learn more about Renewa at https://www.renewa.com/ Lees meerKeywords
land management, oil and gas, renewable energy, landman, Oklahoma, career journey, relationships, energy transition, leasing
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Episode 22: Old-Fashioned Leadership with David Woods and Brent Douglas
8 juli 2025 · 48 min
Hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson recorded a live episode of The Real Deal Landman Show from the annual symposium of the Oklahoma City Association of Lease Title Analysts. They were honored to welcome distinguished guests Brent Douglas and David Woods of Magellan Executive Partners to the stage. Lees meer
Brent and David shared timeless lessons of old-fashioned leadership gained from years of executive experience and working with top leaders and organizations.
Learn more about their book, Old-Fashioned Leadership: Lessons From the Patio, at https://oldfashionedleadership.com.
Start your executive coaching journey today at https://magellanexecutivepartners.com.
Keywords
landman, podcast, operations, leadership, oil and gas, energy, innovation, deals
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Episode 21: Not a Sports Podcast with Pete Marshall
26 juni 2025 · 56 min
It might seem that way, but this has not pivoted into a sports podcast. And Drew Hopkins proves it with his stellar knowledge of blockbuster NBA trades. Lees meer
Drew and Jerris Johnson bring in non-op expert Pete Marshall, Land Manager for Ellipsis. Pete shares his stories of how he became a landman and how his career evolved to its current role with a privately funded non-operating company that is exploring great opportunities all over the United States.
Connect with Pete on LinkedIn, and learn more about Ellipsis at https://ellipsis.us/.
And, of course, Go Thunder!
Keywords
landman, minerals, royalties, deals, podcast, oil, natural gas, battery storage, innovation, networking, events, sports, nba, thunder
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Episode 20: THE Minerals and Royalties Authority with Tim Pawul
10 juni 2025 · 1 uur 2 min
Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson are beyond excited to sit down with Tim Pawul, President of the Minerals & Royalties Authority LLC. After nearly 200 episodes of his Minerals and Royalties podcast, Tim has the opportunity to share his story on The Real Deal Landman Show. Lees meer
Hear stories of inspiration and personal development, and receive a master class on the oil and gas minerals space.
Connect with Tim on LinkedIn, and learn about his incredible initiative to fund the college education of Celeste Kamuntu at https://www.gofundme.com/f/celeste-kamuntu-college-tuition-fund
Keywords
landman, minerals, royalties, international, land management, podcast, oil and gas, innovation, deals, networking, events
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Episode 19: Making an Impact in Energy with Grant Raney and Michael Gumbs
30 mei 2025 · 53 min
Another in-studio session of The Real Deal Landman Show with hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson and guests Grant Raney and Michael Gumbs of Impact Energy, EQV Resources, and Environmental Impact Solutions. Lees meer
Hear about the fascinating backgrounds of Michael and Grant and how they have built a few of the premier independently owned oil and gas companies in Oklahoma City.
Find Grant and Michael on LinkedIn and learn more about their companies at https://impactenergy.us/; https://eqvgroup.com/; https://www.environmentalimpact.us/
Keywords
landman, minerals, operations, land management, podcast, oil and gas, environment, innovation, deals, networking
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Episode 18: Annual Meeting Preview
21 mei 2025 · 47 min
The Real Deal Landman Show hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson visit with Zachary Smith, President of Armadillo Energy Partners, and Michael Anderson, Director of Land, Venator Resources. The conversation introduces Zach and Michael, their careers, and the important leadership roles they have on the AAPL Annual Meeting Committee. Hear why you want to be in Kansas City, June 18-20. Lees meer
Register for the conference at https://www.landman.org/events/annual-meeting
Keywords
royalties, landman, education, AI, minerals, technology, land management, oil and gas, contracts, innovation, industry trends, deals, networking
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Episode 17: Drillers and Dealers with David Wheelis
16 mei 2025 · 49 min
The Real Deal Landman Show hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson visit with David Wheelis, Vice President, Land & Business Development of Caliber Resource Partners. Their lively discussion covers David's fascinating career from independent landman to networking and deal-making guru. Learn about the upcoming Drillers and Dealers event and the incredible impact it makes to the community. Lees meer
Connect with David on LinkedIn.
Drillers and Dealers event is coming up on June 2. Learn about and get involved at https://drillersanddealers.com/
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charity, royalties, landman, minerals, technology, land management, oil and gas, contracts, innovation, industry trends, drilling, deals
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Episode 16: The Economic Geologist with Sam Siebenaler
12 mei 2025 · 50 min
In this episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson welcome Sam Siebenaler, an economic geologist and CEO of Precision Mineral Accounting. The conversation explores the intersection of mining and royalties, the structure of mining contracts compared to oil and gas, and the slow adoption of technology in the mining industry. Sam shares insights on the importance of transparency in royalty management and the future of mining in light of geopolitical challenges. The episode concludes with advice for startups in the mining sector and a light-hearted discussion about potential TV portrayals of their work. Lees meer
Connect with Sam on LinkedIn and get to Precision Mineral Accounting at https://precisionmineralaccounting.com/.
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mining, royalties, economic geology, technology, land management, oil and gas, contracts, innovation, industry trends
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Episode 15: The New-Age Landman with Matt Tynski
12 april 2025 · 42 min
After a few weeks of individual travels and TCB, Drew and Jerris are back to welcome Matt Tynski to the conversation. Matt shares insights about the new-age landman, why he identifies as one, and what it takes to become one. If you didn't know before, you know now that landmen work in more than just oil and gas. If you are a landman interested in learning about the transition from working in oil and gas to working in renewables, this episode is for you! Lees meer
Bonus: Don't miss Drew's book recommendation!
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Episode 14: Tulsa Association of Petroleum Landmen
13 maart 2025 · 37 min
Drew and Jerris take the show on the road to Tulsa, Oklahoma, to meet with the landmen who work in the historic "Oil Capital of the World!" Lees meer
Correction: Drew took the show on the road while Jerris sat in his house behind his desk.
The guys chat with Brett Gwartney, also known as "The Fisherman," about his early experiences in the department of corrections, which eventually led to his landman career.
As always, networking, education, and technology played a significant role in the discussion, generating considerable enthusiasm from the audience for AI.
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Episode 13: NAPE Part 2 - Jimmers Returns
13 februari 2025 · 16 min
In Part 2 of the special episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, recorded at NAPE in Houston, Drew welcomes back our good friend Jimmy Wright. They explore the importance of strategic networking at happy hours and the creation of partnerships that could shape the future of the energy sector. Drew and Jimmy discuss how building genuine relationships remains fundamental to success in the landman profession. Throughout the episode, they share stories of unexpected collaborations and highlight how a strong personal brand can open new doors. This conversation offers practical insights for anyone looking to make their mark in the industry. The only thing that interrupted their discussion was when the lights were turned off, signaling the end of another successful expo. Lees meer
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Episode 13: NAPE Part 1 - Blake Susman and Rowland.ai
12 februari 2025 · 17 min
Drew and Jerris have been discussing NAPE for weeks, and the event has finally arrived. At the show, the guys take a few moments to sit down with Blake Susman, the founder of Rowland.ai, to learn more about the company's significant launch at the expo. Drew put in a lot of (literal) heavy lifting for this show, but, of course, it's Lonnie who wants all the credit. Lees meer
Please reach out to request a limited edition slap bracelet from The Real Deal Landman Show!
Shameless plug from Jerris: Rowland.ai is now live! Discover the latest AI technology supporting landmen everywhere!
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Episode 12: O Canada with Janice Redmond
29 januari 2025 · 51 min
Ever wondered what it’s like to work in land management north of the border? In this episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson sit down with Janice Redmond from Calgary to break down the differences (and surprising similarities) between the U.S. and Canadian land industries. Lees meer
We’re talking cultural exchanges, the quirks of land ownership and mineral rights in Canada, and how renewable energy is shifting the industry. Plus, Janice shares the inside scoop on parenting in Canada’s hockey culture—because let’s be honest, if you’re Canadian, you probably have a hockey bag in your trunk right now.
We also hit on networking goldmines like NAPE, the evolution of landman associations, and what the future of energy might look like on both sides of the border. The conversation wraps with Janice’s timeless advice: Be a good person and invest in your community.
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Episode 11: Pay Me in Nuggets with Jason Maloy
24 januari 2025 · 52 min
In this engaging and humorous conversation, Drew and Jerris are joined by Jason Maloy and explore a variety of themes ranging from personal anecdotes about their high school drumline experiences to the mutual connections and incredible stories they have in their landman careers. They discuss the evolving landscape of the energy sector, emphasizing safety and community engagement. The conversation also touches on the impact of the Landman TV show, Jason's personal achievements like Ironman competitions, and the unbelievable perks of having a golden Chick-fil-A card. Ultimately, they reflect on the significance of connecting generations within the industry and the importance of preparing future professionals for the challenges ahead. Lees meer
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Episode 10: The Son of Mark Reynolds (His Name is Kyle)
15 januari 2025 · 1 uur 2 min
Jerris and Drew bring on Kyle Reynolds, who shares his love on the 4 F’s: football (Razorbacks), food, family, and the future. Lees meer
The trio delivers an entertaining and eye-opening breakdown of the Landman TV show’s season finale, separating Hollywood drama from the real-world experiences of working landmen. With plenty of laughs and industry insights, they dissect the show’s most outrageous moments while sharing authentic stories from their own careers that prove truth is often more interesting than fiction.
If you have a yearnin' for a learnin', this is the one to listen to.
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Episode 9: Will the Real Steve Smith Please Stand Up?
10 januari 2025 · 50 min
In this episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson welcome Steve Smith to discuss the latest episode of the Landman TV show, titled "Wolf Camp"... or "WolfCamp"... or "Wolfcamp". Lees meer
The conversation covers various themes including the impact of character development, the transition from field work to in-house roles, and the future of landmen in an evolving industry. Steve shares his personal journey in the landman profession, insights on networking, and the importance of maintaining personal connections in the industry. The episode concludes with reflections on the value of learning and adapting in a changing landscape.
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Episode 8: A Journey with Jason Lowrey
31 december 2024 · 51 min
This week, Drew and Jerris sit down with Jason Lowrey, who shares his journey from Chesapeake’s mailroom to land manager status. Between laughs and real talk, Jason drops knowledge bombs about surviving 2024’s market rollercoaster and managing a land department like a boss. Lees meer
Get the straight-shooting (literally) wisdom on turning family connections into legit opportunities, plus our hosts’ predictions for what’s coming down the pipeline. Settle in - this episode’s packed with more real-world wisdom than any landman school could teach.
#RealDealLandmanShow #OilandGas #Landman
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Episode 7: The REAL Sandridge with Doug Sandridge
24 december 2024 · 58 min
Merry Christmas! In this special episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, Drew is bringing the festive cheer as he and Jerris welcome Doug Sandridge to the podcast. Needless to say, this is the most educational episode to date! Lees meer
Doug shares stories of his illustrious career and recounts the fascinating drama of the controversial wind farm on the Osage Nation Reservation. For more on Doug's Energy Ruminations, visit https://douglascsandridge.substack.com/
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Episode 6: Jimmers Ain't Wrong with Jimmy Wright
18 december 2024 · 1 uur
In the latest episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson sit down with industry veteran Jimmy Wright for an unfiltered conversation that bridges the gap between Hollywood fiction and landman reality. While seasonal musings spark some entertaining debates, the real meat of the episode is the nuts and bolts of the landman profession. The trio unpacks the true essence of the job - from building lasting relationships with mineral owners to navigating the complex landscape of energy development. Lees meer
The conversation weaves through crucial topics like mineral owner education, estate planning essentials, and the vital role of organizations like NARO, all while maintaining the show’s signature blend of professional expertise and authentic humor. Whether you’re an industry veteran or simply curious about the real world of land work, this episode strips away the Hollywood gloss to reveal the genuine art of being a landman.
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Episode 5: North American Pet Expo
11 december 2024 · 1 uur 9 min
Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson welcome Drew Guntert from the NAPE Expo and Julie Woodard from Expand Energy on the latest episode of RDLS. Lees meer
Get to know Julie and her amazing career with Chesapeake, now Expand, and how she is a critical contributor to so many pivotal organizations. Hear from Drew G. on his experiences with NAPE, including the random requests he receives, the truth behind the sweepstakes, and the puzzling confusion that the outside world has with the NAPE acronym.
Plus, Drew and Drew talk about Drew, and the whole gang dissects the latest episode of the TV series.
BONUS: Listeners of The Real Deal Landman Show save on their registration to NAPE by using promo code: LANDMAN
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Episode 4: OKC
4 december 2024 · 42 min
Coming off the Thanksgiving holiday, in this episode of the Real Deal Landman Show, hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson reminisce the historical and cultural evolution of Oklahoma City, and discuss the impact of the oil and gas industry on Oklahoma communities. They also share insights from the latest episode of the Landman TV show, exploring character dynamics, legal aspects, and the realities of working in the oil field. Lees meer
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Episode 3: Landman Opulence with Joey Barnhill
27 november 2024 · 48 min
Join Drew and Jerris as they welcome this week's guest, Joey Barnhill. Drew introduces the term "landman opulence," while they share stories from personal work experiences and comparisons to the "Landman" TV show. All discuss the importance of personal relationships in the industry, the varying reactions from audiences, and predictions for future episodes. The conversation highlights the blend of fiction and reality in portraying the landman profession and the excitement of having their work represented on screen. Lees meer
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Episode 2 - THE Larry Coshow
20 november 2024 · 57 min
In this episode of the Real Deal Landman Show, hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson welcome Larry Coshow, a seasoned landman with a rich career in the oil and gas industry. They discuss Larry's journey through various companies, including Chesapeake and SandRidge, and the importance of mentorship and team building in the profession. The conversation also touches on the portrayal of landmen in media, particularly in the new Landman show, and the feedback from listeners regarding the authenticity of these representations. Larry shares insights on innovative strategies for leasing and the significance of digitizing records in the industry. Lees meer
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Episode 1: Intro to the The Real Deal Landman Show
15 november 2024 · 46 min
Step into the pilot episode of The Real Deal Landman Show, where hosts Drew Hopkins and Jerris Johnson kick off their new podcast by sharing their wild ride into the landman profession. These industry veterans strip away the Hollywood glamour to reveal what really makes a landman tick. Paying homage to their mentors, they dive deep into how personal connections and authentic branding shaped their careers. Whether you're a seasoned pro or just energy-curious, this raw conversation proves that success in the oil patch isn't just about what you know—it's about who you learn from and how you tell your story. Lees meer