Presales Podcast by Presales Collective

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  1. Demotainment with Mike McDowell

    27 oktober 2026 · 31 min

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    Mike McDowell, author of "Demotainment," joins hosts Avery Cochran and Matthew James to discuss how presales professionals should approach demos and presentations like Broadway performers, bringing energy and showmanship while maintaining authenticity and personalization. The conversation explores the balance between rehearsed performance and authentic engagement, emphasizing that delivery and storytelling are just as important as technical content. Lees meer

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    Connect with Mike McDowell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mmcdowell1/

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    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Presales Collective Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast

    Demotainment (book by Mike McDowell): https://a.co/d/00DK30rj

    Key Topics Covered

    Broadway Performer Mindset: Bringing consistent energy and leaving personal baggage at the door while maintaining authenticity

    Improvisation Within Structure: Balancing 80% prepared content with 20% customer-driven conversation

    Account Team Choreography: The importance of rehearsed handoffs and transitions between SEs and AEs

    Strategic Partnership: Presales professionals as strategists involved throughout the customer journey

    Storytelling Delivery: How stories are told matters as much as the content itself

    Personal Connection and Credibility: Building rapport through industry experience before product features

    Engaging Remote Audiences: Techniques for handling Zoom calls with cameras off

    Value Demonstration Through Stories: Using concrete examples like the $7 million hyperlink story to illustrate ROI

    Energy and Authenticity: Genuine enthusiasm influences buying decisions beyond rational factors

  2. Moving from a Top IC to a New Presales Leader with Akanksha Sehgal

    12 oktober 2026 · 27 min

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    Making the leap from top-performing individual contributor to effective leader is one of the toughest transitions to make as a Solutions professional. Host Avery Cochran sits down with Akanksha Sehgal, Senior Director of Worldwide Technical Solutions at Omnisa, to explore why the skills that make you a great SE often don't translate to leadership. Akanksha shares her 13-year journey, from handling strategic accounts to leading global teams, and reveals the mindset shifts required at each stage of leadership growth. Lees meer

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    Connect with Akanksha Sehgal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/akanksha-sehgal/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Key Topics Covered

    The Challenge of Moving from Expert SE to Leader

    Demonstrating Leadership Before Getting the Title

    Building Influence and Trust with Former Peers

    How Success Metrics Change from IC to Manager

    The "Smartest Person Trap" and Letting Your Team Shine

    Creating Strategic Thinking Time vs. Staying Tactical

    Progressing to Senior Leadership and Managing a Function

    Breaking Down Silos Through Cross-Functional Collaboration

    Making Hard Decisions and Balancing Business with People

    Being Your Authentic Self as a Leader

  3. Getting through the Internal Politics with Samantha Burrell

    28 september 2026 · 31 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James welcome Samantha Burrell, an enterprise solutions consultant at BenchLink, to discuss how she successfully launched "Demo Face-Off," a gamified enablement competition for her global SC organization. Samantha shares the complete journey from identifying a gap in product enablement when returning from maternity leave to navigating internal politics, securing buy-in from multiple stakeholders, and executing a March Madness-style demo competition that ran over two months. Lees meer

    Thank you to Baton AI for sponsoring this episode. Check out more at getbaton.ai

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Samantha Burrell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samantha-r-burrell/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Baton AI: https://www.getbaton.ai/

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    PSC Unscripted episode with Samantha: https://youtu.be/2nZjv-vWdF0

    Key Topics Covered

    Demo Face-Off Competition Structure: A March Madness-Style Global Competition

    Identifying Gaps from Personal Pain Points After Maternity Leave

    Navigating Internal Politics and Getting Multi-Stakeholder Buy-In

    Connecting Enablement Initiatives to ARR Impact

    Using AI Tools for First-Time Project Planning and Execution

    Driving Participation Through Competition, Prizes, and Recognition

    Making Enablement Entertaining with Production Value and Energy

    Cultural Considerations for Global Teams and Iteration Based on Feedback

    Individual Contributor Influence Without Formal Authority

    Cross-Functional Benefits and Expanding Impact Beyond the SC Team

  4. Live at Sol/Con 2026! Four Skills Driving Sales Outcomes with Rew Dickinson

    14 september 2026 · 38 min

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    In this live podcast episode recorded at Sol/Con 2026, Rew Dickinson, CEO and founder of Alpha Go-To-Market, joins co-hosts Jack Cochran and Matthew James to present a framework of four core skills that drive sales outcomes for solutions engineers. Lees meer

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Rew Dickinson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rewdickinson/

    Key Topics Covered

    The SE Talk-Time Problem: How Gong call analysis reveals SEs dominating conversations with product talk instead of listening

    The Starbucks Story: Rew's revelation that SEs are often the most influential person in the sales cycle

    Knowledge Layer: Why SEs must understand how prospect companies make money before demos

    Storytelling for Pre-Sales: Shifting from product-centric to prospect-focused narratives

    The iPhone Value Exercise: Live demonstration showing value exists in the gap between current and desired state

    Discovery Beyond Requirements: Creating vision with questions like "If I shadowed your team for a week, what would I see slowing them down?"

    Leadership and Taking a Stance: Why SEs need to be prescriptive ("you should") instead of offering endless options ("you could")

    The Tenure Gap: SEs average 7 years versus sales reps at 2 years—and why SEs should leverage this expertise advantage

  5. Being the Founding SC with Alex Margolis

    31 augustus 2026 · 29 min

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    Alex Margolis joins the show with cohosts Jack Cochran and Mathew James to share his experience as a founding sales engineer, pulling back the curtain on what it's really like to be the first SE at a startup. Alex discusses his deliberate decision to target founding SE roles as a way to fast-forward his career after six years at a company with limited growth opportunities, expecting to build processes and lead strategically from day one. Instead, he found himself supporting eight AEs and an equal number of BDRs, running five demos a day in a high-velocity sales environment that left little time for the strategic work he'd been promised. Lees meer

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Alex Margolis: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexnmargolis/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Presales Collective Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast

    Key Topics Covered

    Motivations for seeking founding SE roles and fast-forwarding your career

    The sales assistant trap: expectations vs. reality of strategic involvement

    Supporting eight AEs plus BDRs as the only SE in a high-velocity environment

    Setting boundaries and tracking workload to prioritize effectively

    Cross-functional relationship building as the company "facsimile"

    Interview questions to ask when evaluating founding SE opportunities

    Who the right fit is for high-volume founding SE roles

    Finding company culture fit and working with good people

  6. Building Repeatable Methodologies with Paul Vogt

    17 augustus 2026 · 31 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran sits down with Paul Vogt, VP of Pre-Sales and Professional Services at GPG, to explore how building repeatable methodologies can transform solutions organizations at scale. The conversation dives deep into two powerful frameworks: the Technical Win Definition (5 binary yes/no questions that eliminate ambiguity and improve forecast accuracy) and the PGA Framework (Purpose, Goal, Agenda for planning every customer meeting). Lees meer

    Thank you to Saleo for sponsoring this episode: https://saleo.io

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    Connect with Paul Vogt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulvogt00/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Presales Collective Podcast: https://presalescollective.com/podcast

    Paul's Blog: https://www.art-of-sales-engineering.com/

    Key Topics Covered

    Paul's Career Journey: From Defense Contractor to Scaling Pre-Sales Teams at Twilio

    The Alaska Cellular Network Project: Building the First Network in Remote Communities

    Customer Lifecycle Gaps: Why 70% of Churn Happens During Onboarding

    Technical Win Definition: Creating 5 Binary Questions to Eliminate Ambiguity

    How Technical Win Criteria Improve Forecast Accuracy Better Than Sales Tracking

    The PGA Framework: Purpose, Goal, Agenda for Every Customer Meeting

    Warning Signs Your Organization Needs Repeatable Methodologies

    Using Metrics to Identify Where Deals Slow Down (POC-to-Win Rates as Diagnostic)

    The Lost Art of Prep Calls and Meeting Alignment

    Practice and Preparation: Why Pre-Sales Professionals Should Train Like Athletes

    Small Impactful Changes: The Ted Lasso Approach to Leadership

  7. Adapting to the Changing World of Presales with Steve Bullington

    3 augustus 2026 · 32 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Steve Bullington, Global Public Sector Sales Onboarding and Strategic Programs Lead at Salesforce, to explore the seismic shifts reshaping presales. Steve draws powerful parallels between today's transformation and the move from perpetual licenses to SaaS, arguing that we're experiencing an equally fundamental change as the industry shifts to consumption-based pricing models. Lees meer

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Steve Bullington: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevebullington/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Key Topics Covered

    The Evolution of Presales: From Technical Expert to Business Value Architect

    Consumption-Based Pricing Models and the Death of Shelfware

    The Critical Importance of Accurate Consumption Forecasting

    Forward-Deployed Engineers: The 10x Growth of a New Role

    AI's Impact on Demo Capabilities and Presales Productivity

    The Current Maturity Level of AI (Comparable to SaaS in 2000)

    Which Sales Roles Face AI Replacement and Future Career Pathways

    The Need to Accelerate Professional Development Beyond 1% Daily

  8. Debunking the Traditional Path to Presales with Adam Bauman

    20 juli 2026 · 29 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James sit down with Adam Bauman, Staff Solutions Engineer at Kong, to challenge the myth of the "traditional" path into presales. Adam shares his journey from nearly 20 years in software engineering and management into solutions engineering, exploring why technical backgrounds can be powerful entry points into presales. Lees meer

    The conversation also tackles practical advice for both sides of the hiring equation: how candidates without presales experience can demonstrate their value in interviews, and how hiring managers can look beyond traditional backgrounds to find great talent.

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Adam Bauman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamjbauman/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Presales Collective Unscripted: https://luma.com/pscunscripted

    Key Topics Covered

    What Defines a "Traditional" Path to Presales and Why Most Paths Are Non-Traditional

    Adam's 20-Year Engineering Career and What Drew Him to Presales

    The Learning Curve: Demos, Confidence, and Learning Not to Know Everything

    Scoping Engagements and Understanding Buying Journeys Beyond Technical Validation

    Staying Involved Through Security, Procurement, and Legal Reviews

    Understanding Business Value and ROI from an Engineering Mindset

    Using AI Tools Like Claude for Personal and Professional Efficiency

    How to Interview for Presales Without Traditional Experience

    Changes Needed in Recruiting: Using Rubrics and Formalized Evaluation

    Timestamps

    00:00 Start

    03:36 Welcome Adam Bauman

    06:58 Building confidence without all the answers

    10:25 Drawing from an engineering background

    13:55 Timeline for feeling confident in the role

    22:07 Communicating value without…

  9. Becoming Sales Leadership's Trusted Advisor with Lisa Jameson

    6 juli 2026 · 27 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James sit down with Lisa Jameson, a seasoned solutions professional, to explore how she built strategic influence and became a trusted advisor to sales leadership without moving into management. Lees meer

    Lisa provides a practical framework for assessing your current level of trust with sales leadership, finding creative solutions beyond product limitations, and ultimately structuring a custom role that maximizes your impact while staying on the individual contributor track.

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    Connect with Mathew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Lisa Jameson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisajamesondb/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Key Topics Covered

    Building Initial Trust Through Proactive Learning and Debrief Calls

    The Deal Review as Critical Trust Builder for Won and Lost Deals

    Strategic Use of Closed Lost Deals to Increase Credibility

    The "If We're Working It, We're Working It" Philosophy

    Recognizing When Sales Teams Trust Your Strategic Input

    Developing Deep Expertise in a Niche Area

    Creating Custom IC Roles Through Proven Value

    Moving Beyond Product Limitations with Partners and Creative Solutions

    The Long Game of Career Development and Building Credibility

    Structuring Compensation and Proving ROI for Strategic Roles

  10. The Value of a Presales Academy with Rob Fallon

    22 juni 2026 · 31 min

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    Rob Fallon, Director, Americas SE Strategy & Associate Program at Nutanix, has built presales academy programs at both Dell EMC and Nutanix, joins the show to discuss the strategic importance of creating structured training programs for presales professionals. Rob shares his experience transforming Dell's 12-week boot camp into a comprehensive academy and building Nutanix's current 18-month-old program from the ground up. The conversation tackles the "inverted pyramid" problem that plagues many SE organizations—being too heavy with expensive senior talent and lacking junior pipeline—and why most companies struggle to fix it. Lees meer

    The discussion covers the business case for academies, how to secure executive sponsorship and funding, the structure of successful two-year programs, and why hiring for technical curiosity and grit matters more than existing technical knowledge.

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    Connect with Rob Fallon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robfallon/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Contact Rob: rob.fallon@nutanix.com

    Key Topics Covered

    The Inverted Pyramid Problem: Why SE Organizations Over-Hire Senior Talent

    Executive Sponsorship and Funding: Getting Buy-In for Long-Term Investment

    The Two-Year Academy Program Structure at Nutanix

    Hiring for Technical Curiosity, Communication, and Grit Over Knowledge

    Why Field Integration and Manager Engagement Are Critical to Success

    How Academy Associates Become Productive Within 12 Months

    Academy Programs as Diversity and Fresh Thinking Enablers

    Success Metrics: When Field Leaders Want Academy Grads on Their Teams

  11. Using AI as your Voice Assistant with Yasmeen Hyder

    8 juni 2026 · 32 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran sits down with Yasmeen Hyder, an enterprise solutions consulting leader from Atlanta, to explore a game-changing approach to working with AI: speaking to it instead of typing. Yasmeen shares how she uses voice-based AI interactions as a thought companion and coaching tool to enhance decision-making, reduce mental load, and work more efficiently in her presales leadership role. Lees meer

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    Connect with Yasmeen Hyder: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yasmeenhyder/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Presales Collective Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast

    Key Topics Covered

    Voice AI vs. Typing: Why Speaking Creates Higher Bandwidth Communication

    AI as Thought Companion Rather Than Answer Engine

    Yasmeen's Career Journey: Healthcare to Pharma to Tech Presales

    Overcoming the Behavioral Change of Talking to Your Computer

    Stress Testing Leadership Decisions with Voice AI

    Using AI as a Coach: Asking for Questions Instead of Answers

    Time Compression Benefits: 60-90 Minutes Down to 15-20 Minutes

    Addressing Zoom Fatigue: Voice AI as Reset and Grounding Tool

    Negative Prompting Technique for Better Outputs

    Personal and Professional Applications Beyond Work

    Timestamps

    00:00 Introduction

    02:45 Welcome Yas

    05:45 Why talking to AI

    08:02 Setup and behavioral change

    10:57 Writing vs. speaking

    15:27 Rubber ducky but better

    16:28 Stress testing leadership decisions

    20:46 Using AI as a coach

    22:36 Addressing Zoom fatigue

    26:00 Personal life applications

    30:19 Closing and contact information

  12. Product-Trained Agents, and the New SE Workflow with Kintan Brahmbhatt

    11 mei 2026 · 33 min

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    Jack Cochran and Matthew James welcome Kintan Brahmbhatt, CEO and co-founder of Olto, to discuss how AI agents are fundamentally reshaping the presales workflow and buyer experience. Drawing from over 12 years at Amazon building personalized experiences for Alexa, Amazon Music, and Prime Video, Kintan explores why B2B buyers receive generic "Acme Corp" demos while B2C consumers get highly personalized recommendations, and how product-trained agents can finally close this gap economically. The conversation goes beyond productivity gains to examine how buyers, products, and SE roles have evolved rapidly while metrics, compensation plans, and tooling have remained static. Lees meer

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Kintan Brahmbhatt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kintan/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Olto: https://olto.com/psc (3 months free promotional offer mentioned)

    Key Topics Covered

    Why AI Timing Is Better Now: Moving Beyond Productivity to Workflow Transformation

    The Personalization Gap Between B2C and B2B Buyer Experiences

    What Olto Is: Product-Trained AI Agents Across the Revenue Journey

    Kintan's Amazon Background: Building Personalized Experiences at Scale

    SE Capacity Economics and the Unspoken Rule About Qualified Deals

    How Product-Trained Agents Differ from Generic AI

    The New SE Workflow: Agents Handle Discovery, SEs Focus on Sense-Making

    Evolution of SE Metrics, Compensation, and Tooling for the AI Era

    Implementation Challenges and Change Management

    The Future of the Presales Profession

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    04:04 Now vs a year ago

    05:40 What is Olto

    07:52 B2C vs B2B personalization disconnect

    11:15 Agent capabilities and limitations

    21:35 Future of the s…

  13. The Convergence of Presales and Post-Sales: A New Career Path with Shamil Turner

    28 april 2026 · 32 min

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    Presales teams are being asked more and more to do post-sales work. This isn't a fad or something we're doing in the short term. This is a significant change for the broader profession of presales and solutions consulting. What was once occasional support for implementations or customer renewals is now becoming formal job responsibilities for solutions consultants across the industry. Lees meer

    In this episode, Jack Cochran sits down with Shamil Turner, Global Technical Solutions Leader at Figma and Presales Collective advisory board member, to explore why this shift is happening and what it means for the future of presales.

    Shamil brings a unique perspective to this conversation: he was the first SE hired at Figma, built their entire solutions engineering organization from the ground up, and has now transitioned into a post-sales technical leadership role. Together they discuss the strengths that SEs bring to the table that has a profound impact on a company-customer relationships AFTER the sale has happened, and how this plays out in a new role that has been emerging over the past year, the Forward Deployed Engineer.

    Whether you're a leader making organizational decisions or an IC just getting started, this conversation will help you understand how the world of solutions is evolving.

    Thank you to Saleo for sponsoring this episode!

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    Connect with Shamil Turner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamil-turner/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Presales Collective Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast

    Saleo: https://saleo.io

    Key Topics Covered

    The Growing Trend of Presales Teams Doing Post-Sales Work

    Historical Context: How SEs Have Always Supported Post-Sales

    Forward Deployed Engineer Roles in Consumption-Based Models

    Why Pre…

  14. What an AI-Enabled SE Looks Like in 2026 with Darlene Volas

    13 april 2026 · 35 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran sits down with Darlene Volas, a senior solutions engineering executive, to explore what it truly means to be an AI-enabled SE in 2025 and beyond. The conversation moves well past basic ChatGPT usage to examine sophisticated operational workflows, custom automation tools, and practical implementation strategies that enhance both efficiency and quality of work. Lees meer

    This episode was recorded during Presales Collective's 2026 AI-Powered Presales Summit on March 19th, 2026. Pro and Pro+ members can view all of the recorded sessions on-demand in the PSC Knowledge Hub: https://www.presalescollective.com/knowledgehub

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    Connect with Matthe James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Darlene Volas: https://www.linkedin.com/in/darlenevolas/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Presales Collective Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast

    Perplexity: https://www.perplexity.ai/

    Claude by Anthropic: https://www.anthropic.com/claude

    Cursor AI coding tool: https://cursor.sh/

    GitHub Copilot: https://github.com/features/copilot

    Gong conversation intelligence: https://www.gong.io/

    ChatGPT Enterprise: https://openai.com/enterprise

    Obsidian note-taking: https://obsidian.md/

    Firebolt database: https://www.firebolt.io/

    Key Topics Covered

    Personal AI Usage Evolution: Moving Beyond Google Replacement to Creative Applications

    Three Buckets of AI for SE Leaders: Operations, Team Workflows, and Technical Implementation

    Daily Meeting Preparation Automation and Custom-Built AI Applications

    Operationalizing SE Teams with Repeatable AI Workflows

    Quality vs. Efficiency Trade-off: Better Preparation Rather Than Less Time

    Building Technical Credibility Through Hands-On AI Coding

    The "One More Th…

  15. From Co-Pilot to Orchestrator: AI and the Evolving SE Role with Manisha Raisinghani

    30 maart 2026 · 33 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran welcomes back Manisha Raisinghani, Founder and CEO of SiftHub, exactly one year after her first appearance on the show. Together they explore the dramatic shift in how AI is being used by solutions engineers. Manisha shares what it means for SEs to become Forward Deployed Engineers, how vibe coding is changing live customer interactions, and what enterprise leaders are getting wrong about AI adoption. She also offers concrete first steps for SEs and SE leaders who feel like they're behind. Lees meer

    Thank you to SiftHub for sponsoring this episode! Visit sifthub.io to learn more.

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    Connect with Manisha Raisinghani: https://www.linkedin.com/in/manisha-raisinghani/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    SiftHub: https://sifthub.io/

    Sol/Con (PSC Annual Conference, Chicago): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Paytm (referenced in board discussion): https://paytm.com

    Key Topics Covered

    How AI Shifted from Co-Pilot to Workflow Orchestrator

    Vibe Coding and the Forward Deployed Engineer

    Democratizing Institutional Knowledge

    AI Transformation at Enterprise Scale

    Making SE Value Visible with Data

    Where to Start if You Feel Behind

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome & Intro
    03:58 One year later: the headline shift in AI and SE workflows
    07:20 Vibe coding — what it is and why SEs should care
    10:23 The rise of the Forward Deployed Engineer
    14:01 How SiftHub has evolved: from retrieval to reasoning
    20:23 Lessons from the Paytm board on enterprise AI adoption
    24:43 Sales: the most blamed, least understood function
    28:40 First steps for SEs and SE leaders who feel behind

  16. Proving the Value of Demo Engineering: Metrics That Matter with Micah Joel

    15 maart 2026 · 30 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James continue their conversation with Micah Joel, diving deep into the metrics that matter when building and justifying a demo engineering team. Micah shares practical approaches to measuring the value of demo engineering, from simple time-saving calculations to sophisticated surveys that capture SE satisfaction and retention indicators. The conversation explores how to frame these metrics in terms that senior management cares about, moving beyond technical accomplishments to demonstrate real business impact. Lees meer

    Micah emphasizes the importance of thinking "top down" when building a demo engineering organization, focusing on what leadership values most: productivity, cost savings, and revenue growth. He shares real-world examples from his time at Salesforce's Q Branch, including how to measure the value of demo environments, how to identify unexpected patterns in the data (like deals where demo engineers get involved), and how cultivating relationships with SEs creates goodwill that extends beyond the numbers. The discussion also covers how demo engineering impacts go-to-market speed for new products and how to position the team as mission-critical support for field teams rather than just a technical function.

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    Connect with Matthew James https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Micah Joel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/micahjoel/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Presales Collective Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast

    Key Topics Covered

    Establishing baseline metrics for demo engineering through time-saving calculations

    Using SE surveys to measure demo environment value and satisfaction

    Identifying retention indicators at 3-year and 7-year tenure marks

    Red…

  17. Building a Demo Engineering Team with Micah Joel - Part 1

    2 maart 2026 · 30 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James sit down with Micah Joel, GTM leader and demo engineering pioneer, to explore what it means to build a dedicated demo engineering function from scratch. Micah shares his journey from theater kid to SE to leading Salesforce's legendary Q Branch, and unpacks why demo engineering might be the most underutilized lever in presales today. They cover the difference between deal-focused and infrastructure-focused demo engineers, how to structure the team, why blended teams fail, and how a mature demo engineering org can swim upstream into product strategy to reduce time-to-revenue. This is part one of two. Part two will focus on measuring and proving the value of a demo engineering team. Lees meer

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    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Micah Joel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/micahjoel/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    SoulCon 2026 (Chicago, August 2026): https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Presales Collective Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast

    Key Topics Covered

    Micah's Background: From Theater to SE to Demo Engineering

    What Is Demo Engineering and How Is It Different from Being an SE?

    When Does an Organization Need a Demo Engineering Team?

    The Two Sides of Demo Engineering: Deal Support vs. Infrastructure/Scale

    How to Hire and Structure the Team

    Demo Engineering as a Talent Pipeline and Retention Strategy

    Swimming Upstream: Demo Engineering's Role in Go-to-Market Strategy

    Common Mistakes and How to Avoid Them

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    02:48 Intro Micah Joel

    05:42 Demo engineering definition

    08:33 When do you need a DE team?

    11:13 Deal side vs. infrastructure/scale side

    15:48 Demo engineering as SE retention

    23:55 Swimming upstream

    27:11 Final advice

  18. The Future of AI in Presales: Beyond Demo Automation with Nalin Senthamil

    16 februari 2026 · 32 min

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    The Future of AI in Presales: Beyond Demo Automation Lees meer

    In this episode, Jack Cochran is joined by Nalin Senthamil, Founder and CEO of Storylane, to discuss the evolution of AI in presales beyond simple demo automation. They explore the hidden costs of demos, how the buyer themselves are becoming AI-powered, and the emergence of AI tools for sellers, much like Storylane has developed with RepEx

    Thank you to Storylane for sponsoring this episode! Visit Storylane.io to learn more.

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    Connect with Nalin Senthamil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nalinpradeep/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    RepEx (AI buyer engagement platform): Available at https://www.storylane.io/

    Key Topics Covered

    Nalin's Journey from Amazon AI Engineer to Demo Automation Founder

    The Hidden Cost Per Demo

    AI at the Infrastructure Level

    RepEx: The Next Generation of Buyer Engagement

    The Context Handoff Problem

    Presales as Strategic Advisors in 2026

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    03:15 Nalin's Background: From Amazon AI Engineer to Storylane Founder

    05:54 The Cost Per Demo Problem and Demo Automation Impact

    13:24 What are we leaving behind with AI, and what remains human?

    20:00 RepEx Launch: Beyond Traditional Chatbots

    26:25 The Importance of Context in the Buyer Journey

    28:54 How Presales Teams Can Prepare for AI Integration

    30:15 Final Advice: Building Long-Term AI Capabilities in Presales

  19. Courageous Leadership: Making Tough Calls Under Pressure with Gretchen Fitzgibbons

    2 februari 2026 · 41 min

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    In this episode recorded at the Presales Collective Leadership Next Summit in November of 2025, Jack Cochran sits down with Gretchen Fitzgibbons, Senior Manager of Strategic Solutions Consulting at Airtable, to discuss what it means to be a courageous leader in presales. They explore how to make difficult decisions under pressure, navigate organizational politics with integrity, and build the support systems that enable consistent leadership. Gretchen shares powerful stories from her two decades of experience advising Fortune 500 customers and leading presales teams, including standing up for a team member being unfairly assessed and creating win-win solutions in challenging situations. Lees meer

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    Connect with Gretchen Fitzgibbons: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gretchenfitzgibbons/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sol/Con 2026: https://www.presalescollective.com/solcon-2026

    Book mentioned: Think Again by Adam Grant: https://adamgrant.net/book/think-again/

    Book mentioned: Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11468377-thinking-fast-and-slow

    Key Topics Covered

    Redefining Courage and Leadership

    Making Tough Calls: Standing Up for Team Members

    Focusing on Your Team rather than on Yourself

    How to Prepare for a Leadership Role

    It's OK to be Wrong

    Developing Your Leadership Skills

    Grounding Principles for Leadership

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome and Introduction

    02:14 Defining Courage and Leadership in Presales

    05:15 Making Tough Calls: A Story of Standing Up for What's Right

    11:20 Focusing on Your Team rather than on Yourself

    22:07 How to Prepare for a Leadership Role

    27:40 It's OK to be Wrong

    30:30 Developing Leadership Skills

    37:42 Final Takeaways and Grounding Principles

  20. Storytelling as an Industrial Skill with Jon Billett

    19 januari 2026 · 33 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran is joined by Jon Billett, Founder and CEO of StoryQuadrant, to discuss why storytelling in presales needs to be treated as an industrial skill rather than a soft skill. They explore Jon's framework for the four types of stories every SE should master, the danger of "Mad Libs" style customer stories, and why the most important story is the one told after you leave the room. Jon shares insights from his 15 years in presales and his unique background as a member of the Magic Circle, revealing how structure, rather than content, creates memorable presentations that drive deals forward. Lees meer

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    Connect with Jon Billett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jbillett/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    StoryQuadrant: https://storyquadrant.com/

    Key Topics Covered

    Why Storytelling is an Industrial Skill, Not a Soft Skill

    The Story Quadrant Framework: Four Essential Story Types

    The Mad Libs Problem in Presales

    Discovery as Stepping Into Your Prospect's Story

    The Power of Contrast in Creating Memory

    What Makes Stories Retellable

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    03:16 Jon's Journey to Storytelling

    06:31 Storytelling as an Industrial Skill

    09:23 Overcoming the Belief: "I'm Not a Good Storyteller"

    12:24 The Success Story Trap

    15:59 The Mad Libs Formula Problem

    18:13 Discovery Stories: Stepping Into Their World

    21:20 Maximizing Your 5% of Face Time

    23:10 Your Story: The Four-Minute Trust Window

    26:51 Positioning Stories: Nobody Cares About Your Offices

    27:40 The Story They Tell

    30:30 One Technique to Implement Tomorrow: The Power of Contrast

  21. Shaping Decision Confidence and Overcoming Customer Indecision with Nikhil Sarma

    5 januari 2026 · 32 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Nikhil Sarma, Founder of GTM Solutions Consulting, to explore why customer indecision has become one of the biggest challenges in enterprise sales. They discuss the factors driving buyer hesitation, how to diagnose value clarity vs. organizational issues, and practical strategies for helping customers build the confidence to move forward. Nikhil shares frameworks for understanding stakeholder dynamics, the importance of financial fluency for SEs, and why de-risking the implementation is often more important than the technology itself. Lees meer

    Thank you to Storylane for sponsoring this episode. Get more information at https://www.storylane.io/

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Nikhil Sarma: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhilsarma/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    GTM Solutions Consulting: https://www.gtmsolutions.co/

    The Jolt Effect Book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61418641-the-jolt-effect

    The Challenger Sale Book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11910902-the-challenger-sale

    Gartner Research on Buying Team Conflict

    Key Topics Covered

    The Factors Driving Customer Indecision in 2025

    Value Clarity vs. Organizational Issues

    Understanding Stakeholder Levels (Operational, Manager, Executive)

    Discovery as a Two-Way Learning Process

    Diagnosing and Building Consensus Across Buying Teams

    De-risking Implementation as a Differentiator

    Financial Fluency for Presales Professionals

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome
    04:45 What's Changed about Customer Buying Behavior
    09:50 The Jolt Effect and Challenger Sale Frameworks
    13:56 Value Clarity Problems vs. Organizational Issues
    20:03 Collaborative Whiteboarding for Discovery
    25:17 De-risking Implementation Wins Deals
    28:50 How to Connect with Nikhil

  22. Stop Paying the Demo Tax: How AI Is Transforming Presales with Justin McDonald

    16 december 2025 · 31 min

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    The State of Presales and Demo Technologies, and What's Coming in 2026 Lees meer

    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Justin McDonald, Co-founder and CEO of Saleo, to discuss how demo automation technology is transforming the presales landscape. They explore the evolution of presales over the past 20 years, the hidden costs of demo preparation (the "demo tax"), and how AI is revolutionizing how solutions engineers create and personalize demonstrations. Justin shares insights on building relational capital, the importance of in-person meetings, and why the future of presales lies in leveraging technology to spend more quality time with buyers.

    Thank you to Saleo for sponsoring this episode! Visit Saleo.io to learn more.

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Justin McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-mcdonald-21a3aa6/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Saleo: https://saleo.io/

    Mockaroo (dummy data generator): https://mockaroo.com/

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    04:24 How has presales evolved over 20 years

    09:20 Demo tax

    13:37 The importance of in-person meetings

    15:55 Breaking down the demo tax components

    24:47 AI and Demo Data Agents

    26:42 Trends reshaping presales in 2026

    Key Topics Covered

    The Evolution of Presales Technology

    From manual data creation with tools like Mockaroo to automated demo environments

    The rise of presales as a respected profession with executive leadership

    Shift from multi-week prep and constant travel to efficient Zoom-based demos

    The Demo Prep Tax

    Multiple departments impacted: DevOps, product, engineering, and SEs

    Hard dollar costs: hosting demo tenants can cost millions at scale

    Demo data degradation: perfectly prepared demos degrade over time

    SE time is expensive, and hours spent on manual data prepa…

  23. Conquering Imposter Syndrome with Hannah Bloking and Allison Macalik

    24 november 2025 · 31 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Hannah Bloking, and Allison Macalik, co-founders of 4Under3. They discuss the universal challenge of imposter syndrome in the pre-sales profession, exploring how it manifests, why it affects nearly everyone, and practical strategies to address it. Hannah and Allison share insights from their workshops, including powerful techniques like the "lighthouse speaker" mindset and the importance of naming your imposter to take control of those negative thoughts. Lees meer

    Thank you to Storylane for sponsoring this episode.

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    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Hannah Bloking: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannahcfrisch/

    Connect with Allison Macalik: https://www.linkedin.com/in/allisonmacalik/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Storylane: https://storylane.io

    Join Presales Collective: https://www.presalescollective.com/community-overview

    4Under3: https://4under3.io/

    Email: info@4under3.io

    Follow 4Under3 on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/4under3/

    Timestamps

    00:00 Opening

    03:36 Why Focus on Impostor Syndrome

    11:57 The Definition of Impostor Syndrome

    14:45 Redefinining as a Phenomenon

    20:15 Soft Skills is Important

    24:50 The Lighthouse Speaker Mindset

    27:15 Zip it, Todd!

    Key Topics Covered

    Understanding Imposter Syndrome

    The textbook definition: "The persistent inability to believe that one's success is deserved or has been legitimately achieved as a result of one's own efforts or skills"

    Why it's being reframed as "imposter phenomenon" rather than syndrome

    How it manifests differently for everyone

    The discovery that it affects people of all genders, levels, and backgrounds

    The Presales Connection

    Why imposter syndrome is particularly prevalent in pre-sales roles

    The challenge of being asked to be an expert when you're still learning

    Why internal d…

  24. Charting Your Presales Career Path with Miriam Graf

    22 oktober 2025 · 33 min

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    Episode 181: Charting Your Presales Career Path with Miriam Graf Lees meer

    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James welcome Miriam Graf, a presales veteran with 20 years as an individual contributor and 10 years in leadership roles. Miriam shares invaluable insights on navigating career growth in presales, from speaking up about your aspirations to recognizing when leadership is and isn't the right path for you. She discusses the evolution from being "the hero" to becoming a leader who helps others shine, and explores the diverse career opportunities available beyond traditional management roles.

    This episode is sponsored by Elvance. Find out more about them at https://elvance.io/

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Miriam Graf: https://www.linkedin.com/in/miriamgraf/ or email migraf3@gmail.com

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Presales Podcast: https://www.presalescollective.com/podcast

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    06:53 Lessons to learn earlier

    10:38 IC vs leadership

    16:42 Expensive experience lessons

    22:46 Variety of expertise is good

    28:27 Focus on your industry and keep learning

    Key Topics Covered

    Speaking Up About Your Career

    Why waiting for someone to notice doesn't work

    How expressing interest puts you on the radar for future opportunities

    The importance of taking initiative on projects you're passionate about

    The Transition from Hero to Leader

    Why being the top SE doesn't automatically translate to leadership

    The emotional shift from personal accolades to team success

    Understanding if management is actually the right path for you

    Alternative Career Paths Beyond Management

    National expert or technical specialist roles

    Product management and product marketing opportunities

    Customer success, implementation, and demo engineering

    How presales …

  25. From Overloaded to Optimized: Concierge Services and Deal Desks with Rob Bruce

    7 oktober 2025 · 31 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Rob Bruce, a presales leader at Syndigo with 20 years of experience, to discuss an innovative approach to presales operations: the Pursuit Desk. Rob shares how Syndigo has built a dedicated "concierge team" that handles RFPs, security questionnaires, reference coordination, and other time-consuming tasks, freeing solutions engineers to focus on discovery, solutioning, and building customer relationships. The conversation explores how to operate at the "top of your license," the role of AI in scaling pursuit operations, and practical advice for championing similar initiatives at your organization. Lees meer

    Thank you to Elvance for sponsoring this episode: https://elvance.io

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Rob Bruce: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbruce/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Book: "Selling is Hard, Buying is Harder" by Garen Hess

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    04:29 What is a Presales Concierge

    11:18 Presales culture

    14:00 Working at the top of your diploma

    17:10 How do you justify this

    21:38 As focused as an F1 team

    23:32 AI and the Pursuit Desk

    Key Topics Covered

    The Pursuit Desk Concept

    Functions as a presales concierge handling non-customer-facing tasks

    Manages RFPs, InfoSec documents, NDAs, reference coordination

    Creates centralized control over messaging and responses

    Operates on a global scale with cultural sensitivity

    Operating at the Top of Your License

    Focus on discovery, creative thinking, empathetic listening, and presenting solutions

    Eliminate time spent on administrative tasks that don't require SE expertise

    Reduce context switching and multitasking to maintain flow

    Maximize value delivery to customers and the organization

    Building the Business Case

    Find an executive…

  26. Presales and Sales Working Together SEAMlessly with Art Fromm

    25 september 2025 · 36 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Art Fromm, author of "Making Seamless Sales" and sales enablement expert, to discuss how presales and sales teams can work together more effectively. Art shares insights from his 25+ years in sales enablement, exploring the common disconnects between SEs and AEs, and provides practical strategies for building stronger partnerships that drive better outcomes. Lees meer

    The conversation covers the evolution from tribal knowledge to systematic collaboration, the importance of discovery before demos, and how to create value perception rather than just showing features. Art emphasizes that when teams work together properly versus teams that don't, there's a 37% difference in sales outcomes - a substantial opportunity sitting on the table.

    Connect with Us

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Art Fromm: https://www.linkedin.com/in/artfromm/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Art's Website: https://teamsalesdevelopment.com

    Team Sales Development: https://www.teamsalesdevelopment.com

    "Making Seamless Sales" by Art Fromm: https://teamsalesdevelopment.com/making-seamless-sales-book/

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    03:55 Sol/Con East 2025

    05:26 Making SEAMless Sales

    11:27 Our Solutions Have No Value

    24:02 You Only Get One Shot

    29:42 Aren't We All Presales

    Key Topics Covered

    The SEAM Framework

    SE (Solutions Engineers) and AM (Account Managers) working together

    Breaking down organizational silos between presales and sales

    Creating systematic approaches rather than leaving collaboration to chance

    Moving Beyond the Demo Rush

    Why "we need to do a demo" often leads to failure

    The importance of proper qualification and discovery first

    How luck can reinforce bad habits in sales processes

    Creating Value Perception

    Understanding th…

  27. Breaking Barriers: How WISE is Transforming Women's Careers in Presales with Wendy McHenry

    15 september 2025 · 32 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Wendy McHenry, Chair of WISE (Women in Solutions Excellence) at Presales Collective and Former Head of Global Solutions Engineering at CDATA, to discuss the critical need for supporting women in presales careers. They explore the challenges women face in a field where only 18% of solutions professionals are women, discuss unconscious bias in hiring and workplace environments, and highlight how WISE is creating support networks and career development opportunities to advance equity in the solutions field. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates.

    This episode is sponsored by Elvance. More information at https://elvance.io/

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    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Wendy McHenry: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wendymac98/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    WISE Chapter Information: https://www.presalescollective.com/wise

    Presales Collective LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/presalescollective

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    04:51 Why WISE?

    09:12 Being a woman in sales today

    12:57 You're not technical enough

    16:16 Women leaving the profession

    20:33 How is WISE helping?

    27:55 What's happening next?

    Key Topics Covered

    The Current State of Women in Presales

    Only 18% of solutions professionals globally are women

    Many women are the only woman on their SE team

    Higher attrition rates during layoffs disproportionately impact women

    Unconscious Bias and Workplace Challenges

    "Not technical enough" bias applied differently to women

    Interview panels dominated by men

    Social environments that may exclude women

    The importance of calling out bias when witnessed

    WISE Mission and Structure

    Started as an ERG at Salesforce, now par…

  28. Tailoring AI for Growth: What Startups and Enterprises Should Do Differently with Akash Ganapathy

    2 september 2025 · 39 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Akash Ganapathi, CEO of Opine, to discuss how AI strategies differ between startups and enterprises in the presales space. They explore the myth of AI replacing SEs, the importance of specialization vs. generalization, and how AI can help presales teams manage more revenue per team member while focusing on strategic, relationship-building activities. Lees meer

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Akash Ganapathi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/akash-ganapathi/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Opine: https://tryopine.com/

    Contact Akash directly: akash@tryopine.com

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    04:35 Why AI strategy differs for startups vs enterprises

    09:27 Debunking the myth of AI replacing SEs

    18:35 The human element in buying and selling

    24:35 How enterprises can leverage existing knowledge bases

    28:12 The paradox of considering AI for every task

    32:14 Future predictions for 2026-2027

    Key Topics Covered

    Startup vs Enterprise AI Strategy

    Startups benefit from generalist approaches and bottom-up experimentation

    Enterprises need specialized, top-down AI strategies to avoid redundancy

    The role of specialization vs wearing multiple hats

    The AI Replacement Myth

    Why the "AI SE" that replaces human SEs doesn't work

    SEs do much more than just answer technical questions

    The importance of relationship building and strategic thinking

    Current AI Limitations

    Context window constraints (around 1 million tokens currently)

    Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG) accuracy at ~75%

    Why breakthrough improvements are needed for true automation

    The Future of Presales with AI

    More revenue managed per team member

    Shift toward hiring less experienced SEs with AI enablement

    Focus on strategic consulting rather than adminis…

  29. Scaling Presales Teams without Burning Out Your Best People with Ben Hills

    11 augustus 2025 · 39 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Ben Hills, Founder and CEO of Iris, to discuss how to scale presales teams effectively while avoiding burnout. They explore the difference between healthy high performance and unsustainable overwork, the role of AI in streamlining repetitive tasks like RFPs, and practical strategies for building scalable processes that enhance rather than replace human expertise. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Ben Hills: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminhills/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Iris: https://heyiris.ai/

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    04:04 Iris

    05:14 Ben's background

    14:29 Healthy high performance vs burnout

    21:55 Common scaling mistakes and the headcount trap

    29:14 Effective AI tools for presales teams

    35:04 The future of AI-to-AI RFP processes

    37:46 Final advice on embracing AI

    Key Topics Covered

    Understanding Burnout vs. High Performance

    Why burnout isn't just about hours worked

    The importance of connecting work to larger purpose and outcomes

    Creating time-bound periods of intense work with clear endpoints

    Scaling Without Adding Headcount

    The "mythical man month" problem in presales

    Building playbooks and processes before hiring

    Separating "in the business" vs "on the business" work

    The Rocks, Pebbles, Sand Framework

    Planning for big quarterly tasks (rocks)

    Managing predictable weekly activities (pebbles)

    Handling unexpected fire drills (sand)

    AI Tools That Actually Work

    RFP automation and response generation

    Call transcript analysis for product feedback

    Demo automation with synthetic data

    Why…

  30. How to Speak So Senior Leaders Listen with Ben Pearce

    28 juli 2025 · 37 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Ben Pearce, founder of Elevated You, to discuss how technical professionals can effectively communicate with senior executives. They explore the critical differences between speaking to technical stakeholders versus C-suite leaders, covering everything from preparation strategies to delivery techniques. Ben shares practical frameworks for being relevant rather than just expert, emphasizing the importance of focusing on "what" and "why" instead of "how" when presenting to senior leaders. Lees meer

    Thank you to Storylane for sponsoring this episode. Find out more about Storylane and how to build killer demos in 2 minutes at https://storylane.io

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

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    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Ben Pearce:https://www.linkedin.com/in/benpthoughts/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Elevated You: https://www.elevatedyou.live/psc

    Tech World Human Skills Podcast: https://www.elevatedyou.live/twhs

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    05:18 Why speaking to senior leaders is different

    12:49 Being relevant vs. being an expert

    16:19 Mastering delivery under pressure

    25:04 Reading the room and course-correcting

    32:53 De-risking and the human element

    Key Topics Covered

    The Technical Expert's Dilemma

    How technical expertise can become a curse when speaking to executives

    Moving from demonstrating knowledge to demonstrating relevance

    The Three-Part Framework for Executive Communication

    Relevance: Understanding what matters to your specific audience

    Compelling Content: Creating materials that speak to their priorities

    Excellent Delivery: Performing under pressure wi…

  31. How Demo Automation and AI Are Transforming Presales with Nalin Senthamil

    17 juni 2025 · 29 min

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    In this episode, Matthew James and Timmy Hendrickson are joined by Nalin Senthamil, Founder and CEO of Storylane, to discuss the future of pre-sales and AI driving influence beyond pipeline. They explore how demo automation is transforming the self-serve buyer experience, the changing role of solutions engineers, and how AI can create 10X impact in pre-sales workflows. Nalin shares insights on leveraging AI for demo personalization, managing complex product integrations, and why the traditional discovery call may be dying. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

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    Connect with Timmy Hendrickson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timmyhendrickson/

    Connect with Nalin Senthamil: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nalinpradeep/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Storylane: https://www.storylane.io/

    Timestamps

    00:04 Welcome

    01:08 Nalin's background and founding Storylane

    03:08 What does a self-serve buyer experience look like?

    08:18 How AI has changed presales

    13:40 Training AI agents to answer technical questions

    17:02 AI testing customer scenario

    19:28 Overlooked use cases for demo automation

    26:30 One workflow where AI can create 10X impact today

    Key Topics Covered

    The Death of Discovery Calls

    Why buyers are coming to conversations already educated

    How self-serve experiences span the entire buying journey

    The role of AI sales agents in initial discovery

    The Four Categories of SE Work

    Relationship building and strategic solutioning

    Demo delivery and POC management

    Administrative tasks and CRM updates

    Knowledge sharing and product insights

    AI as an SE Sidekick

    Demo preparation and tailoring automation

    Administrative task reduction

    Strategic thinking enhancement rat…

  32. Insights from an SE-Leader-Turned-Recruiter: Why Classic Job Hunting is Dead

    2 juni 2025 · 35 min

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    In this second part of our conversation with Raphael Joseph, former SE turned recruiter and founder of Brando Tech, Jack Cochran and Matthew James dive deep into why traditional job hunting methods no longer work in today's market. Raphael shares strategic insights on how SEs should approach job searching in 2025, treating themselves as products and leveraging their natural skills to navigate the competitive landscape. Lees meer

    IMPORTANT: This is Part 2 of a two-part series. Make sure to listen to Part 1 first for the complete discussion on personal branding and LinkedIn optimization.

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

    Follow the Hosts

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Raphael Joseph: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-joseph-23044150/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Episode Sponsor: Opine - https://tryopine.com

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    04:42 What is "classic job hunting" and why it's dead

    11:52 How to get on recruiters' radar

    13:33 Starting your job search the right way

    21:04 Treating job hunting like account management

    27:23 Interview process changes and AI requirements

    30:30 Why it's not a numbers game anymore

    Key Topics Covered

    The Death of Classic Job Hunting

    Why sending CVs to job postings no longer works

    How companies receive hundreds of applications they can't process

    The cycle of posting jobs, failing to hire, then using recruiters

    Why your application often goes unread

    The New Digital Job Hunting Approach

    Treating yourself as a product you're selling

    Building warm leads with hiring managers

    Using SE skills for job hunting: research, discovery, and value proposition

    The importance of targeted, high-touch approa…

  33. Insights from an SE-Leader-Turned-Recruiter: Personal Branding for SEs with Raphael Joseph

    19 mei 2025 · 35 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Raphael Joseph to discuss the critical importance of building a strong LinkedIn profile for PreSales professionals. They explore how the platform has evolved as a powerful career tool, especially in today's competitive job market. Raphael shares practical tips on crafting a professional presence that highlights your unique value proposition, explains the impact of consistent engagement, and offers advice on creating authentic content that resonates with hiring managers. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

    Follow the Hosts

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Raphael Joseph: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-joseph-23044150/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Sponsor: Opine - https://tryopine.com

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome and introduction to LinkedIn's evolution

    01:50 Sponsor: Opine

    03:06 Raphael's background and career journey

    10:46 Why you should build your LinkedIn profile before you need it

    21:11 Focusing on your ideal customer profile (ICP)

    25:21 Engagement strategies: connecting, commenting, and posting

    33:49 Overcoming nervousness about posting

    Key Topics Covered

    LinkedIn Profile Optimization

    Using your banner as prime real estate to showcase your unique value

    Crafting a clear headline that highlights your specialization

    Writing descriptions that focus on the value you provide

    The importance of professional photos and consistent branding

    Strategic Profile Positioning

    Reverse-engineering your profile based on your target roles

    Focusing on 3-4 key specializations rather than listing everything

    Using industry-standard job titles even if your company uses d…

  34. Forecast This: Why Presales Belongs in the Room

    5 mei 2025 · 35 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Karthik Krishna, Manager of Solutions Engineering at Freshworks and Presales Collective's Regional Community Leader for Chennai. They explore how Solutions Engineers can gain strategic influence in deal cycles beyond just giving demos and answering technical questions. Lees meer

    Episode Highlights

    Karthik shares his journey from developer to pre-sales professional

    The evolution from "demo-giver" to strategic partner in deal cycles

    How SEs can co-own opportunities with Account Executives

    Navigating tough conversations when deals aren't a good technical fit

    Building credibility to increase your strategic influence

    Leveraging customer success and implementation teams for deal strategy

    About Our Guest

    Karthik Krishna is a Manager of Solutions Engineering at Freshworks, where he has built and coached distributed teams of SEs across companies of all sizes. He also serves as the Presales Collective Regional Community Leader for Chennai, recently hosting an event with over 60 SEs in attendance.

    Follow the Hosts and Guest

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Karthik Krishna: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karthikkrishna-s/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Presales Collective: https://www.presalescollective.com

    Timestamps

    00:00 - Welcome and introduction

    02:46 - Karthik's background and journey to presales

    05:28 - What it means to "be in the room" for deal strategy

    11:27 - Handling deals that aren't a good technical fit

    16:30 - Building AE-SE relationships and trust

    20:02 - Leveraging past customer experiences

    27:14 - Growing strategic influence as an SE

    32:30 - First experience in pipeline meetings and QBRs

    Key Topics Covered

    The Evolution of the SE Role

    From technical demonstrator to strategic partner

    Building …

  35. Buy, Sell, Beware: Examining the Ethics of AI with Dianna Cappello

    21 april 2025 · 41 min

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    Today's episode was recorded during Presales Collective's AI-Powered Presales Summit on March 26th, 2025. In this episode, Jack Cochran (General Manager, Presales Collective) and co-host Matthew James discuss the ethics and trust issues surrounding AI in sales environments with guest Diana Capello, Director of Solutions Consulting for US and Demo Engineering at Eightfold. The discussion explores how AI is transforming the presales landscape, from creating demo environments to navigating AI buying committees and addressing hiring practices in tech. Diana shares insights from her 20-year journey in AI, offering valuable perspectives on maintaining customer trust while leveraging AI tools. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT / 11AM ET / 4PM GMT.

    Connect with Us

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Diana Capello: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianacappello/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Presales Collective newsletter: https://www.presalescollective.com/newsletter

    Book Recommendation, "AI Superpowers" by Kai-Fu Lee: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38242135-ai-superpowers

    Presales Collective's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/PreSalesCollective

    Presales AI Summit recordings, available on the PSC YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@presalescollective7795

    Timestamps

    00:00 - Introduction

    01:27 - Welcome Diana Cappello

    04:10 - Maintaining customer trust while using AI

    06:50 - Explaining how AI works to customers

    11:45 - Navigating AI councils in enterprise sales

    20:34 - AI in hiring processes

    27:43 - Book recommendation

    31:10 - Q&A

  36. Presales People in Disguise with Alex Nation

    7 april 2025 · 32 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran (General Manager, Presales Collective) and guest co-host Allison Macalik dive into the topic of "Presales People in Disguise" with Alex Nation. They explore the journey into presales roles, the importance of effective discovery techniques, the power of silence in customer interactions, and the unique relationship between presales professionals and sales teams. Alex shares valuable insights from her career transition from retail to tech, highlighting key skills that have made her successful in the presales world. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

    Find us:

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Allison Macalik: https://www.linkedin.com/in/allisonmacalik/

    Connect with Alex Nation: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandranation/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Presales Collective newsletter: https://www.presalescollective.com/newsletter

    Timestamps

    00:00 - Introduction

    02:48 - Alex's background and journey into presales

    08:59 - The importance of being a presenter pain point gatherer

    10:40 - The power of effective discovery

    14:24 - The art of silence in customer interactions

    20:26 - Presales vs. Sales

    26:20 - Advice to younger self

    29:25 - How to find Alex

    Key Topics Covered

    Career Transitions into Presales

    Alex's journey from Nordstrom to tech

    Finding your strength as a "presenter pain point gatherer"

    The accidental path many take into presales roles

    Effective Discovery Techniques

    The importance of listening more than speaking

    How good discovery differentiates vendors

    Building trust with customers through purposeful questions

    The Power of Silence

    Using silence as a negotiation technique

    Training yourself to be comfortable with pauses

    Demonstrating confidence through…

  37. Winning Complex Deals: How AI Empowers Sales Teams with Manisha Raisinghani

    24 maart 2025 · 37 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James are joined by Manisha Raisinghani, Founder and CEO of SiftHub, to discuss how AI is transforming the Presales landscape. They explore how SiftHub's AI sales engineer helps solutions teams consolidate tribal knowledge, automate repetitive tasks, and increase productivity. Manisha shares insights on leveraging AI for RFPs, POCs, and competitive intelligence, while emphasizing that AI serves as a sidekick to enhance SEs' strategic value rather than replace them. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

    Follow the Hosts

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Manisha Raisinghani: https://www.linkedin.com/in/manisharaisinghani/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    SiftHub: https://www.sifthub.io/

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome

    03:34 Manisha's journey to founding SiftHub

    08:12 SE to AE ratios in different organizations

    13:10 The changing role of SEs in relationship building

    15:06 Three main buckets of SE work and how AI can help

    16:30 The evolution of tribal knowledge

    20:40 SaaS proliferation and knowledge fragmentation

    26:51 How SEs can leverage AI effectively

    31:02 Using AI to analyze POCs and RFPs

    Key Topics Covered

    The Evolution of Tribal Knowledge

    From undocumented information to knowledge scattered across platforms

    How AI can consolidate knowledge from Slack, Salesforce, call recordings, and more

    Leveraging recorded conversations to preserve context and insights

    SE Challenges and AI Solutions

    Managing repetitive questions from sales teams and product managers

    Handling documentation tasks and RFP responses

    Creating custom solutions across different industries and regions

    The Changing SE R…

  38. From Novice to Expert: Presales Career Paths with Kalyan Ramkumar

    10 maart 2025 · 33 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James talk with Kalyan Ramkumar about his journey from novice to expert in the presales field. Kalyan shares his experience starting as an SDR at RSA Security with no technical background and how he worked his way up to become a skilled solutions engineer. He discusses the importance of domain knowledge in security, his framework for effective demos, and strategies for managing POCs and building your internal brand. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the Presales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

    Follow the Hosts

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Kalyan Ramkumar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kalyan-ramkumar-679927151/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join Presales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Presales Collective Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/presalescollective

    Presales Collective newsletter: https://www.presalescollective.com/newsletter

    CompTIA Security+ Certification: https://www.comptia.org/certifications/security

    CompTIA Network+ Certification: https://www.comptia.org/certifications/network

    Timestamps

    00:00 Introduction

    03:15 Kal's Background

    10:12 First Ever Demo

    14:10 When did you know you're an SC

    19:40 The Four Do's of Demos

    23:35 Challenging the challenger

    27:02 Building your personal brand

    29:35 POC strategies

    Key Topics Covered

    Breaking into Presales

    Starting as an SDR and transitioning to SE

    Getting hired without technical background

    Importance of work ethic and eagerness to learn

    Building Domain Expertise

    Value of security certifications (Security+ and Network+)

    Moving from scripted to fluid demos

    Building trust with technical customers

    Demo Framework: The Four Do's

    Conducting your own discovery

    Framing every click and feature

    Eval…

  39. Exploring Value in Modern Tech Sales with David Yockelson

    24 februari 2025 · 35 min

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    In today's episode, Jack Cochran and Matthew James sit down with David Yockelson, Distinguished VP and Gartner Fellow, to discuss the evolution of value realization in tech sales. They explore how buyer behaviors have changed, the importance of understanding customer needs before leading with technology, and practical approaches for pre-sales professionals to shift towards value-based selling. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the PreSales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

    Follow the Hosts and Guest

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with David Yockelson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-yockelson-452324/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join PreSales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    PreSales Collective newsletter: https://www.presalescollective.com/newsletter

    Timestamps

    00:00 Introduction

    03:33 The current issues in tech

    10:48 How to stop talking about your tech to focus on value

    23:04 Understanding your customer's business

    27:55 The place of demos on the website

    31:15 Practical approaches to shifting to value

    Key Topics Covered

    Changes in B2B Tech Buying

    Diversification of buying teams

    Shift from technical to business-focused decisions

    Evolution of the buying process

    Increased financial scrutiny on deals

    Value-Based Selling Approaches

    Understanding buyer personas and value drivers

    Moving beyond technical features

    Building and defending business cases

    Articulating value to different stakeholders

    Pre-Sales and Marketing Collaboration

    Alignment between product marketing and SEs

    Value modeling and demonstration strategies

    Website demo effectiveness

    Data collection and buyer insights

    Interactive Demonstrations

    Role of self-service demos

    Converting website visitors

    Collecting valuable user interaction data…

  40. Beyond Automation: Amplifying SE Teams using AI Agents with Dean Shu

    10 februari 2025 · 36 min

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    Show Notes Lees meer

    In today's episode, Dean Shu (CEO & Co-founder, Arphie) joins Jack Cochran and Matthew James to discuss AI agents in PreSales and the evolution of the industry. They explore the changing landscape of PreSales leadership, practical applications of AI, and strategies for evaluating AI solutions.

    Thank you to Arphie for sponsoring this episode. Arphie is the leading AI-powered platform for automating RFPs and security questionnaires. Arphie empowers teams — from the Fortune 500 to high-growth startups — to save time, improve accuracy, and deliver results faster than ever by combining your prior responses and company context with the latest AI agent capabilities.

    To join the show live, follow the PreSales Collective's LinkedIn page. PreSales LIVE airs bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Join the Presales Collective Slack:https://presalescollective.com/slack

    Contact Dean Shu: dean@arphie.ai https://www.linkedin.com/in/dean-shu/

    LE SSERAFIM, Crazy EP: https://open.spotify.com/album/538vEfAgLJ6g2I8ubuOlap?si=so9xz_qMQBatFqHMDTp5sw

    Hidden Brain podcast episode with Brian Klass - https://open.spotify.com/episode/5MowfIBQdmQEIMYdDL3MYK?si=fff1b1731daa48ff

    Timestamps

    00:00 - Introduction

    03:13 - What are you listening to

    06:30 - Dean's background

    09:20 - What's top of mind for presales leaders?

    11:57 - How to make a presales tech purchase

    20:13 - What are AI agents?

    26:40 - How do you properly explore AI?

    32:25 - Is AI going to replace people?

    35:41 - Outro

    Key Topics Covered

    PreSales Leadership Evolution

    Elevating the sales engineering role

    Building stronger cross-functional partnerships

    Gaining executive-level presence

    Understanding AI in PreSales

    Different types of AI models and their applications

    AI agents vs. traditional AI tools

    Real-world implementation strategies

    Evaluating AI Solutions

    Key criteria for vendor selection

    Security considerations

    Proof of concept best practices

  41. Human Qualities of Presales Leadership with Ron Whitson

    27 januari 2025 · 35 min

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    In this episode, Jack Cochran (General Manager, PreSales Collective) and Matthew James discuss the human qualities of presales leadership with special guest Ron Whitson. Ron shares insights from his 30-year career in the industry, discusses his book "A Friendly Human in Presales," and explores how leaders can effectively transition from being top individual contributors to successful team leaders. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the PreSales Collective's LinkedIn page. PreSales LIVE airs bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

    Links

    Follow the Hosts & Guest

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Connect with Ron Whitson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronwhitsonse/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    PreSales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    Ron's Book "A Friendly Human in Presales": https://a.co/d/gJIwWE7

    She Means Biz Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/3zx8BmZ9PrURuASJbAemDu?si=26772c8356854348

    Talking Too Loud with Chris Savage Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/21btwSaqoaF8SDxmwcLMIQ?si=37aa691ee80b4a0f

    Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome and Introductions

    03:54 What are you Listening to?

    07:23 Ron's Journey to PreSales Leadership

    13:56 Transitioning from IC to Leader

    16:12 Coaching vs. Telling

    19:11 One Plus One is More than Two

    21:17 Importance of One-To-Ones

    26:02 Coaching your Team to be Different than You

    31:15 Practice Humility

    Key Topics Covered

    1. Leadership Transition

    Moving from individual contributor to leader

    Common challenges and mindset shifts

    IBM's leadership training program insights

    2. Essential Leadership Qualities

    Empathy and humility in leadership

    Balancing directness with support

    Creating space for team growth

    Regular one-on-one communications

    3. Effective Team Development

    Coaching approaches vs. direct instruction

    Building trust and relationships

    Removing roadblocks for team success

    …

  42. The State of Presales in 2025 with Matthew James

    13 januari 2025 · 35 min

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    In today's episode, Jack Cochran (General Manager, PreSales Collective) and new co-host Matthew James discuss the evolution of PreSales Collective and key industry trends for 2025. They announce the expansion of local PSC chapters, tease upcoming leadership conferences, and explore controversial topics like AI in pre-sales and team structure debates. The episode offers insights into career development opportunities beyond traditional paths and emphasizes the importance of community involvement in shaping the future of pre-sales. Lees meer

    To join the show live, follow the PreSales Collective's LinkedIn page or join the PSC Slack community for updates. The show is bi-weekly on Tuesdays, 8AM PT/11AM ET/4PM GMT.

    Follow the Hosts

    Connect with Jack Cochran: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackcochran/

    Connect with Matthew James: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewyoungjames/

    Links and Resources Mentioned

    Follow the PreSales Collective's LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/presalescollective

    Join PreSales Collective Slack: https://www.presalescollective.com/slack

    PreSales Collective newsletter: https://www.presalescollective.com/newsletter

    Simon Sinek's "A Bit of Optimism" podcast episode with Trevor Noah: https://simonsinek.com/podcast/episodes/trevor-noah-makes-my-brain-hurt/

    Jack's YouTube video on microphone quality: https://youtu.be/B6nl64Sv7pw?si=wtOud1fS27ryqavI

    Timestamps

    00:00 - Welcome

    01:26 - PSC Unlimited

    02:34 - Show Kickoff

    05:20 - Regional Community Leader Launch

    12:24 - In-Person Leadership Conference Teaser

    16:12 - Changes to PreSales LIVE & PreSales Podcast

    18:02 - What Have You Been Listening To?

    22:03 - Topics for 2025

    28:16 - How to Get Involved in the PSC

    Key Topics Covered

    1. PreSales Collective Updates

    Launch of PreSales Live show

    New regional community leader program

    Upcoming leadership conferences (announcement pending)

    Slack community surpasses 16,000 members

    2. Industry Trends for 2025

    Presales influence within organi…

  43. Sneak Peek at 2025

    16 december 2024 · 4 min

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    As 2025 approaches, the PreSales Podcast has some exciting changes coming! First and foremost, Matthew James is joining Jack Cochran as co-host of the podcast. Lees meer

    Also, starting in January, the show will be recorded live on LinkedIn via the new show PreSales LIVE! Join Matthew and Jack as they talk to guests and answer a live Q&A at the end of each episode.

  44. A Fireside Chat with the New GM of PSC

    18 november 2024 · 41 min

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    Today on the PreSales Podcast we have an exciting announcement, we have the pleasure and opportunity to announce the next General Manager at PreSales Collective, Jack Cochran. Lees meer

    We talk about this exciting new chapter for PreSales Collective, how we are expanding with a new PreSales Collective board of directors, the excitement of hitting the milestone of 50,000 members, and the community's future.

    What I love most about Jack is that he is deeply rooted in this thing, he has experience running communities, content creation, like his podcasts, and a passion to drive the collective forward.

    We discussed Chris' proudest moments here, lessons learned over the past 17 months, and his transition into the board of directors. Chris will still be extremely active in the community at large.

    This is a story between two humans, discussing our love and appreciation for this profession. I am thrilled to see this organization continue to help people worldwide, so let's jump right in with Jack.

    Thank you so much for tuning in. I hope you enjoyed as much as I did.

  45. The Demo Challenge: Capturing Buyer Attention Before the Demo w/Todd Janzen

    5 november 2024 · 40 min

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    Welcome to the Pre-Sales Podcast! Today we have a fantastic guest joining us—Todd Janzen. Lees meer

    Todd brings a wealth of experience from his impressive career in pre-sales, including his time at Salesforce and now as SVP of Customer Success and Buyer Enablement, Consensus

    In our conversation, we dive into the presales craft, influence in GTM, and more. One of the standout points was Todd's focus on the statistic that 83% of B2B buyers engage in self-discovery before ever speaking to a sales representative.

    We also explore Todd's unique journey into pre-sales, starting from his early days in consulting to becoming a solution engineer at Salesforce. He shared insights on how he developed innovative approaches to enhance demo environments and improve the overall buyer experience, emphasizing the need for solution engineers to unlock their full potential throughout the customer journey.

    So, grab a seat and get ready, I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

  46. Product Power Plays: Scale, Sales, and PreSales w/Sarah Idriss

    22 oktober 2024 · 44 min

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    Sarah Idriss is a PreSales + Product dream state, blending customer feedback with product roadmap in innovative ways, and It's my pleasure to have her on the PreSales Podcast. Lees meer

    Episode Takeaways:

    Relationship of Product + PreSales (and beyond).

    The vital role PreSales plays in shaping product development and ensuring alignment with customer needs.

    What makes a good product...and what makes a great product?

    What differentiates good products from great ones: integrating PreSales feedback into product innovation.

    Feedback loop - how to fine-tune product features.

    Using PreSales insights to fine-tune product features, leading to more market-ready and successful launches.

    Customer-centric product and presales focus, how to build something that matters

    Product & PreSales are each other's best weapons to get great outcomes, but their primary drivers are often different. Sarah talks about her drive to build the best product to give the most value to as many people as possible at scale. Embracing the different drivers of PreSales and Product teams helps her forge more effective relationships between both departments to get the ultimate win.

    Sarah can be best reached at Sarah@reprise.com

    Thank you for tuning in!

  47. PreSales Mastery: Elevating Influence Across the Customer Lifecycle w/Julia Lustig

    8 oktober 2024 · 44 min

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    Hello and welcome to the PreSales podcast, is your host and PreSales Collective general manager Chris Mabry. Lees meer

    Today I'm speaking with Julia Lustig, SE Leader at Seismic and Co-Host of the Revenue Circus Podcast.

    We explore how to create content on Linkedin, the future of solution consulting examining how this role is evolving in response to new challenges and technologies. We also discuss the importance of collaboration across departments and how AI is reshaping the pre-sales landscape.

    You can find Julia Lustig on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julia-lustig/

    Remember, these insights are not just theoretical; they are actionable strategies you can implement in your own work.

    Thanks for tuning in, at PreSales Collective we are all about connecting and learning and growing together. we look forward to seeing you next time!

  48. Beyond the Pitch: Do Technical SCs Have the Upper Hand? w/Dan Hellerman

    24 september 2024 · 54 min

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    Episode Title: The Power of Technical Mastery in PreSales with Dan Hellerman Lees meer

    Host: Chris Mabry, General Manager of PreSales Collective
    Guest: Dan Hellerman, Technology Enthusiast and Co-Founder of Saleo

    Episode Summary:
    In this episode, Chris Mabry sits down with Dan Hellerman to discuss the essential role of technical mastery for PreSales professionals. Dan shares his deep passion for technology and explains how a thorough understanding of the technical aspects of a product can be a game-changer in demo environments. From managing the complexities of SaaS environments to the critical role AI plays in shaping more effective demos, Dan dives into the nitty-gritty details that can make or break a PreSales experience.

    Key Topics Covered:

    The Balance Between Technical Depth and Sales Focus:
    Dan highlights the differing expectations between buyers, sellers, and solution engineers when it comes to technical details. While sellers often prioritize closing deals and driving revenue, buyers and SEs may be more focused on understanding the product's technical intricacies. Dan shares why it's important for PreSales professionals to bridge this gap and provide both perspectives.

    Why Technical Mastery is a "Superpower" for PreSales Professionals:
    Dan believes that those who take the time to deeply understand the products they are demoing—and even build demo environments from scratch—have a distinct advantage. This technical fluency allows them to address complex questions and instill confidence in buyers.

    Dan's Journey in Software Development and Entrepreneurship:
    With a background in designing and developing software, Dan reflects on his career leading up to co-founding Saleo. His hands-on experience gives him a unique perspective on how to approach technical demos and product storytelling.

    Navigating Buyer Skepticism in Demos:
    Drawing from his own experiences as a buyer, Dan explains how technical curiosity and detailed questioning often lead to skepticism in demo envi…

  49. Mastering Human Skills and Growing into Leadership w/Ron Whitson

    10 september 2024 · 43 min

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    This episode delves into Ron Whitson's career journey as a presales professional, highlighting essential lessons learned along the way. While his technical skills initially secured my role, it was mastering human skills that truly accelerated his success. Lees meer

    Episode Takeaways

    Imposter syndrome never really goes away

    To excel as a presales professional, focus on human skills

    There's always something new to learn if you look for it

    Guidance on growing into leadership as a presales professional

    Closing Advice

    One of the best pieces of advice I received was from an IBM executive: "Run to the problem." In presales, identifying issues and devising solutions proactively can set you apart.

    Connect with Ron: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronwhitsonse/

    Timeless Behaviors Book: https://timelessbehaviors.com/

  50. Extra Credit: PreSales Enablement w/Liz Anderson

    4 september 2024 · 41 min

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    Liz Anderson directs the PreSales Collective Enablement programming, from PreSales Academy through leadership training, channeling her PreSales experience through to world-class programming and facilitation. Lees meer

    Liz has well over a decade of experience and PreSales from organizations, large and small, from Slack to startups.

    Episode Takeaways

    Presales enablement is essential to prioritize and needs a balance between technical and soft skills.

    Learning is best done with others both for practice and for accountability.

    You are responsible for your own growth; create a plan that includes improving on things you're already good at.

    You can connect with Liz Anderson here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizandersonpresales/

    PreSales Enablement Programming: https://www.presalescollective.com/programs/live-courses

    For team training - please reach out!!

    Thank you for tuning in.