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1. 19 Years and 14 Exits in Multifamily | Eric Strom and Eric Nordstrom

   2 november 2026 · 35 min

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   Most multifamily investors are sitting on the sidelines right now wondering if the market is broken. Eric Strom and Eric Nordstrom think the opposite and they have 19 years of data to back it up. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits down with the co founders of Iron Ridge Capital, two of the most experienced multifamily syndicators in the country, who paused acquisitions entirely from January 2022 to May 2025 because nothing made sense and are now actively buying again at significant discounts. They break down exactly what the multifamily market looks like right now from the inside, why disciplined operators who stayed patient are getting rewarded, and why the next 24 to 36 months could be one of the best buying windows in multifamily history. Lees meer

   KEY TOPICS COVERED:

   — Why Iron Ridge Capital stopped buying for three years and what finally brought them back.

   — How to find and win distressed multifamily deals by staying disciplined on price and letting deals come back to you.

   —14 exits, 24.6% average annual return what the numbers actually look like over 19 years.

   — Why operations and weathering storms are the two keys to long-term multifamily success.

   — Where rents are heading in the next 12 to 24 months and why the B and C class space is the last to recover.

   — Why the next 24 to 36 months could bring a massive wave of capital back into multifamily real estate.

   ️ Key Moments

   00:00 — Two guests, one mission, winning in multifamily

   00:28 — Introducing Eric Strom & Eric Nordstrom

   00:52 — New acquisitio, how they got it at a discount

   01:57 — 19 years syndicating, how it started

   02:52 — Why they stopped buying from 2022 to 2025

   03:53 — Underwriting everything, buying nothing

   06:00 — Returns 7% to 10% cash on cash, 20%+ total

   07:00 — 14 exits, 24.6% average annual return

   10:00 — Two keys to multifamily success

   15:00 — Finding distressed deals, why round two wins

   20:00 — What the multifamily market looks like right now

   25:00 — B and C cla…

2. $65 Million in Rentals and Not One Mortgage | Pat Grace

   13 oktober 2026 · 47 min

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   Most real estate investors are building a portfolio the same way buy, rehab, refinance, and watch their equity get trapped behind the walls of a mortgage while they pay heavy front-loaded interest for years. Lees meer

   Pat Grace built $65 million in rental properties across 200 single family assets doing it completely differently and he does not have a single traditional mortgage. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits down with Pat Grace, who discovered a banking strategy used widely in Australia that is almost completely unknown in the United States, and used it to build one of the most liquid and flexible real estate portfolios you will find anywhere. Pat breaks down his BERLOCQ method a line of credit-based approach to real estate financing using simple interest instead of compounding amortized debt and why once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

   KEY TOPICS COVERED

   Why traditional mortgages trap your equity and cost you far more than most investors realize

   The BERLOCQ method explained using lines of credit instead of mortgages to build a rental portfolio

   How Pat built $65 million in real estate with $35 million in available line of credit and zero traditional debt

   Why simple interest lines of credit beat compounding amortized mortgages every single time

   How one investor saved over $1 million in interest just by switching to this strategy

   How to get started with lines of credit from your first $750K line to scaling across all 50 states

   ️ TIMESTAMPS

   00:00 — $65 million in rentals with zero mortgages the cold open

   00:30 — Introducing Pat Grace

   00:52 — What M.O.R.E. stands for and why this episode matters

   01:43 — How Pat learned this strategy in Australia

   02:07 — Why he left traditional mortgages behind

   03:10 — How he started just like everyone else

   04:30 — The problem with the BRRRR method most people miss

   06:00 — Explained lines of credit vs amortized mortgage debt

   12:00 — $35 million in available line of credit how Pat structures it

   18:00 …

3. He Lost Everything in 2008 and Built It All Back | Chris Prefontaine

   6 oktober 2026 · 28 min

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   Most real estate investors think you need a bank, perfect credit, or a pile of cash to do deals. Chris Prefontaine has been proving that wrong for decades and he survived the 2008 crash to build one of the fastest growing real estate companies in America three years running on the Inc. 5000 list. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits down with Chris Prefontaine, founder of Smart Real Estate Coach and author of the 3 Paydays book series, to break down exactly how creative financing and terms deals work in today's market, why subject-to and owner financing are some of the most powerful tools available to any investor right now, and why the most dangerous thing you can do is chase shiny objects instead of going deep on one strategy. Lees meer

   KEY TOPICS COVERED:

   Creative financing explained, how to buy real estate without banks, cash, or credit

   Subject-to and owner financing deals, how they work and why sellers say yes

   The 3 Paydays model, how to get paid three times on every single deal

   Why Chris survived the 2008 crash when most investors did not and what he learned

   Shiny object syndrome: why chasing two rabbits means catching zero

   Why you should follow someone who has been through real market cycles, not just a bull run

   ️Key Moments

   00:00 — Foreclosure, the repo man, and starting over

   00:52 — Introducing Chris Prefontaine

   01:10 — Three years on the Inc. 5000 list

   01:43 — 82 active markets — real deals, not theory

   02:15 — The guru epidemic

   03:45 — How the coaching community works

   04:03 — Subject-to, owner financing & lease options explained

   07:00 — The 3 Paydays model

   12:00 — How to get sellers to say yes to creative terms

   18:00 — Creative financing in today's market

   22:00 — Shiny object syndrome & Chris's six laws

   23:43 — Chase two rabbits, catch zero

   24:22 — Follow someone who has the life you want

   25:00 — What success actually looks like after the scars

   26:06 — Free workshop & how to get the 3 Paydays book

   27:25 — Where to find Chr…

4. How to Reinvent Yourself When the Market Shifts | Brandon 'Rockstar' Rooks

   29 september 2026 · 42 min

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   Most real estate investors know how to build in a bull market. Very few know what to do when that market turns against them. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits back down with Brandon Rockstar Rooks a capital raiser who spent a decade building a $100 million land entitlement business in the southeast, working with some of the biggest national builders in the country and who hit major headwinds when the market shifted in late 2024. Brandon shares exactly what happened, why he is not embarrassed to say he is on his third reinvention, how he is pivoting into private lending, note buying, and distressed debt, and why the most dangerous thing an investor can do right now is stay loyal to a business model that has stopped working. Lees meer

   KEY TOPICS COVERED:

   How Brandon built a $100 million land entitlement business working with the biggest national builders

   Why national builders don't want land on their balance sheets and how that creates opportunity

   What went wrong in Q4 2024 and why the land entitlement market shifted dramatically

   How Brandon is pivoting into private lending, note buying, and distressed debt

   Why it is okay to start over at 40 and why staying loyal to a broken business model is not

   The mindset of reinvention how to know when to pivot and how to do it without losing everything

   ️ Key Moments

   00:01 — Introduction: Brandon Rockstar Rooks returns to The M.O.R.E. Show

   00:32 — The Boardroom Mastermind what it is and how to get access

   01:11 — Lending is getting weird what Justin is seeing in the market right now

   01:31 — A decade of land entitlement capital raising how it started

   02:13 — Why 15% annualized returns became the minimum standard

   02:49 — How the land entitlement model works ground, permits, sell to builders

   03:16 — Why national builders don't want land on their balance sheets

   04:01 — First deal: $3M parcel in Charlotte NC 99 townhomes

   07:00 — How the $100M raise was built and what drove it

   15:00 — What changed in Q4 202…

5. Your Title Company Is Killing Your Deals, Here's Why | Ash Selle

   23 september 2026 · 31 min

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   Most real estate investors have had a deal fall apart at the title company not because the deal was bad, but because the title company did not know how to handle it. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits down with Ash Selle, founder of Phoenix Closing and a 25-year title and escrow veteran who has handled tens of thousands of transactions across 7 states. Ash Selle breaks down exactly how investor-friendly title works, how to close hairy and complicated deals that other title companies won't touch, what really happens inside a title company when your deal goes sideways, and why subject-to deals, double closings, probate, and foreclosure transactions require a specialist not a generalist. Lees meer

   KEY TOPICS COVERED:

   What an investor-friendly title company actually does differently from a traditional one

   How to close subject-to deals, double closings, probate, and foreclosure transactions correctly

   Why buyers are backing out last minute right now — and what title companies are seeing on the front lines

   The biggest mistakes real estate investors make when working with title and escrow

   How to find and work with a title company that will fight to get your deal across the finish line

   What sellers in distress foreclosure, divorce, death, prison, need from a title team

   ️ Key Moments

   00:01 — Introduction: Ash Selle founder of Phoenix Closing

   00:23 — 25 years in title and escrow tens of thousands of transactions

   00:45 — Phoenix Closing explained investor-friendly title in 7 states

   01:00 — How to reach Ash Selle: phoenixclosing.co and (612) 248-6108

   01:45 — What is happening in the real estate market right now from the title side

   02:08 — Why buyers are backing out last minute and getting cold feet

   03:47 — Distressed sellers: foreclosure, divorce, prison, probate, and death

   04:09 — Interest rates why nobody on the front lines is complaining about them

   07:00 — Subject-to deals explained and how to close them correctly

   12:00 — Double closings what the…

6. Why There Are No Great Markets, Only Great Timing | Neal Bawa

   18 september 2026 · 39 min

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   Most real estate educators tell you to master one market and stay in it forever. Neil Bawa thinks that is wrong and lazy. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits down with Neal Bawa, known as the Mad Scientist of Multifamily, a former data scientist and tech company founder who has built a portfolio of over 4,000 apartment units across 7 states with $400 million under management and 1,150 active investors. Neil breaks down why his data-driven approach to real estate outperforms gut instinct every single time, how he sold out a 237-unit apartment syndication in four hours, why he learned never to invest in Chicago again, and how he is now using fully automated AI underwriting to evaluate deals faster than any human team can. Lees meer

   KEY TOPICS COVERED:

   Why there are no great markets in America only great markets at certain points in time

   How Neil sold out a 237-unit apartment syndication in four hours using a nurtured email list

   The tax strategy that forced Neil into syndication and how it built his entire empire

   Why Neal left single family behind and went all-in on multifamily apartments

   How Neal's team uses fully automated AI underwriting to analyze deals at scale

   The current distressed deal opportunity in Dallas and why banks are offering concessions to buyers right now

   ️ Key Moments

   00:01 — Introduction: Neal, the Mad Scientist of Multifamily

   00:30 — $400 million under management 4,000 units across 7 states

   00:53 — Portfolio breakdown: Utah, Idaho, Phoenix, Texas, Atlanta

   01:30 — Why Neal jumps markets, there are no permanently great markets

   01:54 — Neal's background: data scientist, tech company founder, recovering technologist

   02:11 — How real estate reduced Neil's taxes during his tech company years

   02:31 — 2013: selling the company, massive taxable event, and discovering syndication

   03:21 — How a nurtured email list sold out 237 units in four hours

   04:16 — 1,150 investors and $350 million in equity raised

   04:41 — Taking investors on…

7. How to Build Authority That Makes Business Come to You | Dana Flanagan

   11 september 2026 · 48 min

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   Most business owners and real estate professionals are grinding for clients, chasing leads, and wondering why deals don't come to them when the real problem is that nobody knows who they are or what they stand for. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits down with Dana Flanagan, known as the Authority Architect, a 25-year real estate veteran with hundreds of millions in commercial and global real estate who recruited 70 agents in 90 days, not by cold calling, but by building the kind of authority and credibility that makes people come to you. Dana breaks down her CIA framework, Credibility, Influence, and Authority, how she used social media before most people knew what it was to build an attraction-based business, and why going viral means nothing if you are not visible to the right people. Lees meer

   KEY TOPICS COVERED:

   The CIA framework: Credibility, Influence, and Authority and how to build all three simultaneously

   Why visibility to the right people beats going viral every single time

   How Dana recruited 70 agents in 90 days using an attraction-based model not cold outreach

   Why personal branding beats company branding for real estate professionals and business owners

   How CEOs and founders can use strategic positioning to get in front of investors and capital

   The biggest mistake people make when building a personal brand and why most quit too early

   ️ Key Moments

   00:00 — How to build authority credibility and influence in business

   00:45 — Introduction: Dana Flanagan the Authority Architect

   01:16 — Dana's 25-year journey: from residential agent to executive advisor

   02:00 — How posting on early Facebook built her first attraction-based business

   04:13 — CIA explained: Credibility Influence and Authority framework

   07:00 — How Dana recruited 70 agents in 90 days without cold calling

   10:00 — Personal brand vs company brand what you should be building

   15:00 — Strategic positioning: how to get in the right rooms

   20:00 — How to build authority if you …

8. Why This 27 Year Old Quit House Wholesaling to Make $2M Flipping Land | Caleb Milobsky

   8 september 2026 · 36 min

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   Most real estate investors are so focused on houses they have completely overlooked one of the simplest and most scalable paths to seven figures in this industry. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits down with Caleb Milobsky, a 27-year-old land wholesaler who transitioned from flipping houses to flipping land and built a business doing over $2 million a year in the process. Caleb breaks down exactly why land has fewer variables than houses, how he sources deals across 15 states using SMS outreach, why his spreads are larger than anything he made wholesaling houses, and the exact system he uses to hit the same lists seven times until sellers respond. Lees meer

   KEY TOPICS COVERED:

   Why land wholesaling is simpler and more scalable than house wholesaling

   How Caleb built a $2 million a year business flipping land at 27 years old

   How to find and evaluate land deals using Land Insights heat map data

   Why Caleb sends SMS to a million land owners a month — and how the system works

   The seven touch frequency strategy that closed a $115K deal in 45 days

   How to do land deals remotely across 15 states without ever visiting the property

   ️ Key Moments:

   00:00 — Introduction: why he quit wholesaling houses

   00:43 — Why land has fewer variables than houses

   01:35 — Building a $2 million a year land business

   02:00 — How land wholesaling works for beginners

   02:50 — Land Insights software explained heat maps and county selection

   03:26 — SMS outreach at scale, a million texts a month

   06:00 — How to evaluate land deals and what to look for

   10:00 — Wetlands, floodplains, and due diligence for land

   15:00 — How Caleb sources deals across 15 states remotely

   20:00 — Pricing, spreads, and what land deals actually pay

   25:00 — The acquisition process from first contact to close

   31:10 — The seven touch frequency strategy, $115K deal example

   33:50 — Where to find Caleb Phillips and his free community

   Connect with Caleb Milobsky :

   YouTube: @Caleb_Flips_Land

   Instagram: @…

9. From Homeless and on Drugs to Raising Over a Billion Dollars | John Fernando

   4 september 2026 · 1 uur 1 min

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   Most people in real estate have never heard of mineral rights investing and most people who have heard of John Fernando's story still don't believe it. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits down with John Fernando, who went from homelessness, drug addiction, and couch surfing to raising over a billion dollars in capital through oil and gas mineral rights. John walks through the exact mindset shift that changed everything for him, how he discovered the mineral rights space when almost nobody else was in it, why mineral rights are one of the most overlooked and undervalued asset classes in all of real estate, and the single phrase delayed obedience is disobedience that he credits with turning his entire life around. Lees meer

   KEY TOPICS COVERED:

   John Fernando's full story from drug addiction and homelessness to raising billions in capital

   What mineral rights are, why they are separate from surface rights, and why most people never think about them

   How John built a business in a space where almost nobody else was operating

   Why oil and gas mineral rights represent a massive overlooked opportunity for real estate investors

   The mindset principle of delayed obedience that John learned at a Christian boot camp and applied to business

   How to find, evaluate, and acquire mineral rights deals across the country

   ️ TIMESTAMPS:

   00:00 — Delayed obedience is disobedience the story that made John a millionaire

   01:16 — Introduction: John Fernando's journey from the streets to billions raised

   02:00 — From drug addiction and homelessness to the turning point.

   03:10 — The Christian boot camp that changed everything.

   07:00 — Discovering mineral rights and why nobody else was in the space.

   15:00 — How mineral rights work and why they are separate from surface rights.

   25:00 — How to find and acquire mineral rights deals.

   35:00 — The oil and gas market right now and where the opportunity is.

   45:00 — Building a team and scaling a mineral rights operation.

   55:00 — Th…

10. How to Protect Your Assets Before You Lose Everything | Hillel Presser

    23 juli 2026 · 53 min

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    There are over 100 million lawsuits filed every single year in the United States and you are seven times more likely to face a lawsuit than to get into a car accident. In this episode of The M.O.R.E. Show, Justin Colby sits down with Hillel Presser, asset protection attorney, six-time author, and advisor who has protected over $11 billion in assets for celebrities, athletes, and business owners across the country. Hillel breaks down the single most powerful wealth protection principle the ultra-wealthy use, own nothing and control everything and exactly how to set up LLCs, trusts, and protective entities so that one lawsuit never takes everything you have spent your life building. Lees meer

    KEY TOPICS COVERED:

    Why you are seven times more likely to face a lawsuit than get in a car accident and what to do about it

    Own nothing control everything the asset protection strategy the ultra-wealthy use.

    LLCs, limited partnerships, and trusts explained which one is right for your situation.

    How to title your assets into protective entities without losing access or control.

    What to do if you are starting a new business today to protect it from day one.

    Why your accountant and your tax strategist are not the same thing and why that gap is costing you

    ️ Key Moments

    00:00 — 100 million lawsuits a year, the stat that should scare every business owner

    00:35 — Introduction: Hillel Presser and $11 billion in assets protected

    01:17 — It's not what you make it's what you keep

    02:00 — What the ultra wealthy do to become uncollectable and judgment proof

    03:20 — Own nothing control everything explained

    04:10 — LLCs, limited partnerships, and trusts — how protective entities work

    10:00 — How to pull a HELOC when your home is inside a trust

    15:00 — Offshore strategies and advanced asset protection

    25:00 — Protecting assets from divorce — 50% chance you need this

    35:00 — What happens when a lawsuit hits and you are not protected

    40:00 — How celebrities and athletes set up from the…

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